I would like advice on whether or not I should replace my wire to rope halyards with all rope or replace them with the same set-up that is on the boat now. The halyards are worn and need to be replaced. Any comments, suggestions, etc.. will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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ken c
rope halyard
just replaced my wire to rope halyard with all rope on my 5m nacra. the rope halyard works, however it streches substantialy while the wire does not strech. this causes a problem with sail shape and the efffectiveness of the downhaul. currently planning to go back to the wire. ken
just replaced my wire to rope halyard with all rope on my 5m nacra. the rope halyard works, however it streches substantialy while the wire does not strech. this causes a problem with sail shape and the efffectiveness of the downhaul. currently planning to go back to the wire. ken
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Rich
One Vote for All Rope
Hi, Dave: I replaced all my old, original wire-to-rope halyards with all rope a couple of months ago and have had no problems. My old halyards were frayed, stretched and full of nasty "meathooks" so the soft, safe feel of all rope is a nice, comfortable change. As to stretch, there is no question that from a technical standpoint, wire will not stretch like rope. However, I believe if you buy a good quality double-braid line (like Sta-set) or maybe even a more expensive/hi-tech type (with Vectran or Spectra) the stretch will be minimal and virtually unnoticeable. I have just spent 4 months and re-rigged/refurbished my 1975 O'Day 22 to be as race-ready as physically possible and have raced it now for 2 months using all rope halyards (1/4" Sta-Set). I am very pleased and have no desire to go back to wire. Besides, let's face it--this is a 22 foot boat with little to no hi-tech aptitude--you're probably not even going to be using winches to hoist your halyards and can easily tighten them a bit more should you notice any stretch or creep. I have had no problems so far and have not needed to adjust for stretch. If you're looking for great deals on line, check out E-Bay. I have outfitted my whole boat (halyards, sheets, control lines, etc.) buying line through E-Bay and have saved a fortune compared to the prices at the traditional marine retailers. Get out your West Marine and Boat/US catalogs and compare price per foot--you will not believe it. Good Luck. Rich s/v TIME BANDIT 1975 O'day 22
Hi, Dave: I replaced all my old, original wire-to-rope halyards with all rope a couple of months ago and have had no problems. My old halyards were frayed, stretched and full of nasty "meathooks" so the soft, safe feel of all rope is a nice, comfortable change. As to stretch, there is no question that from a technical standpoint, wire will not stretch like rope. However, I believe if you buy a good quality double-braid line (like Sta-set) or maybe even a more expensive/hi-tech type (with Vectran or Spectra) the stretch will be minimal and virtually unnoticeable. I have just spent 4 months and re-rigged/refurbished my 1975 O'Day 22 to be as race-ready as physically possible and have raced it now for 2 months using all rope halyards (1/4" Sta-Set). I am very pleased and have no desire to go back to wire. Besides, let's face it--this is a 22 foot boat with little to no hi-tech aptitude--you're probably not even going to be using winches to hoist your halyards and can easily tighten them a bit more should you notice any stretch or creep. I have had no problems so far and have not needed to adjust for stretch. If you're looking for great deals on line, check out E-Bay. I have outfitted my whole boat (halyards, sheets, control lines, etc.) buying line through E-Bay and have saved a fortune compared to the prices at the traditional marine retailers. Get out your West Marine and Boat/US catalogs and compare price per foot--you will not believe it. Good Luck. Rich s/v TIME BANDIT 1975 O'day 22
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Dave Thomas
Thank you!
Thank you Rich. Rope sounds like the way to go. I will place my order today. Dave Wire Fox 1975 O'day 22
Thank you Rich. Rope sounds like the way to go. I will place my order today. Dave Wire Fox 1975 O'day 22
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Mike C.
For Rich - re: E-bay info
Rich, I just bought an Oday 22 and need to replace all running rigging except jib sheets. Your suggestion about EBay sounds good to me. How do I find what you did on EBay? Thanks. My boat has 77 in the numbers on the transom, so it may be a 77 model. It is a fixed keel shoal draft. It is in pretty good condition and though I do race dinghys and would one day like to race keelboats, this seems to be a good start. How do you do when you race, if you race.
Rich, I just bought an Oday 22 and need to replace all running rigging except jib sheets. Your suggestion about EBay sounds good to me. How do I find what you did on EBay? Thanks. My boat has 77 in the numbers on the transom, so it may be a 77 model. It is a fixed keel shoal draft. It is in pretty good condition and though I do race dinghys and would one day like to race keelboats, this seems to be a good start. How do you do when you race, if you race.
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Rich
For Mike C. re: E-Bay & Racing
Hi, Mike: Re: E-bay info, I'm posting a related link to my favorite source on E-Bay--Bob's Ropes 4U. This guy sells Sta-Set, Sta-Set X, SpectSet, etc. The prices are unbelievable. You'll see. He only gets limited quantities but he is constantly, regularly adding new stuff so it might take a few weeks or months of checking E-Bay, bidding, etc. before you can get everything you might need. Be patient as I believe the savings and quality are worth the wait. I have replaced all of my halyards with 1/4" Sta-set, my light air jib sheets are 1/4" Sta-set X and I actually bought some 7/16" Sta-set X for heavy air sheets (easy on the hands, especially if it's cold). I've been using 1/4" sta set for my main sheet without any real problems but am going to change to 5/16" Sta-set for comfort on hands [in conjunction with my installing new garhauer traveler in cockpit]. Re: racing. I have been racing all kinds of sailboats for about 33 years (since my childhood). I regularly race in club PHRF races on a Catalina 380 with Kevlar sails and just took the "Non-Spinnaker Boat of the Regatta" trophy in our local Volvo Leukemia Cup on an old, lumbering Cape Dory 28 with blown out Dacron sails (affectionately known by us as "the pig")--three 1st place finishes. I've also regularly raced Flying Scots and Lightnings in one-design regattas. O.K., enough with the "resume'"--the point, though, is that I have a wide range of sailing and racing experience and believe I can be a fair judge of a boat's sailing aptitude. Based on that, I have found my little O'Day 22 to be surprisingly responsive, well-balanced and challenging to race, given her small size and small keel. I used to own an S-2 6.7 (also c. 22 feet long)which I campaigned hard for about 4 years, winning a 1993 Spinnaker Boat of the Year at my club. Let me tell you, I love this little O'Day 22 a whole lot more. I firmly believe that anyone can win races on an obviously fast boat; the challenge is to do well on a boat which is not supposed to be fast. This past weekend, for example, while I did not place in my club race, out of 12 boats, I finished 5th on corrected time (with a 276 PHRF rating--hence, my boat's name TIME BANDIT, 'cause everybody's giving me time). I just bought a new main, with two top full battens and I was using a used mylar 115% genoa--against everyone else's seemingly gigantic 155% genoas (my new 155% dacron genoa is enroute as I write this). The best part, though, is that I caught and passed a brand new, shiny Hunter 32.6, rating 183, on a broad reach, finishing ahead of her by 45 seconds in REAL time. Man, was her skipper/owner ticked off at his crew for letting that "little tub" beat him. I am having a blast with my "little tub" and believe it will continue to provide me with opportunities not only to race but also to possibly place in and/or win races. This was never my ideal boat before I "adopted" her (the previous owner literally gave her to me) but she has become a labor of love as well as an on-going experiment in creative rigging/racing. Hope you enjoy your boat at least half as much as I love mine. This site is an excellent source of help, advice and information. I highly recommend that you check and post here often. Rich s/v TIME BANDIT 1975 O'Day 22
Hi, Mike: Re: E-bay info, I'm posting a related link to my favorite source on E-Bay--Bob's Ropes 4U. This guy sells Sta-Set, Sta-Set X, SpectSet, etc. The prices are unbelievable. You'll see. He only gets limited quantities but he is constantly, regularly adding new stuff so it might take a few weeks or months of checking E-Bay, bidding, etc. before you can get everything you might need. Be patient as I believe the savings and quality are worth the wait. I have replaced all of my halyards with 1/4" Sta-set, my light air jib sheets are 1/4" Sta-set X and I actually bought some 7/16" Sta-set X for heavy air sheets (easy on the hands, especially if it's cold). I've been using 1/4" sta set for my main sheet without any real problems but am going to change to 5/16" Sta-set for comfort on hands [in conjunction with my installing new garhauer traveler in cockpit]. Re: racing. I have been racing all kinds of sailboats for about 33 years (since my childhood). I regularly race in club PHRF races on a Catalina 380 with Kevlar sails and just took the "Non-Spinnaker Boat of the Regatta" trophy in our local Volvo Leukemia Cup on an old, lumbering Cape Dory 28 with blown out Dacron sails (affectionately known by us as "the pig")--three 1st place finishes. I've also regularly raced Flying Scots and Lightnings in one-design regattas. O.K., enough with the "resume'"--the point, though, is that I have a wide range of sailing and racing experience and believe I can be a fair judge of a boat's sailing aptitude. Based on that, I have found my little O'Day 22 to be surprisingly responsive, well-balanced and challenging to race, given her small size and small keel. I used to own an S-2 6.7 (also c. 22 feet long)which I campaigned hard for about 4 years, winning a 1993 Spinnaker Boat of the Year at my club. Let me tell you, I love this little O'Day 22 a whole lot more. I firmly believe that anyone can win races on an obviously fast boat; the challenge is to do well on a boat which is not supposed to be fast. This past weekend, for example, while I did not place in my club race, out of 12 boats, I finished 5th on corrected time (with a 276 PHRF rating--hence, my boat's name TIME BANDIT, 'cause everybody's giving me time). I just bought a new main, with two top full battens and I was using a used mylar 115% genoa--against everyone else's seemingly gigantic 155% genoas (my new 155% dacron genoa is enroute as I write this). The best part, though, is that I caught and passed a brand new, shiny Hunter 32.6, rating 183, on a broad reach, finishing ahead of her by 45 seconds in REAL time. Man, was her skipper/owner ticked off at his crew for letting that "little tub" beat him. I am having a blast with my "little tub" and believe it will continue to provide me with opportunities not only to race but also to possibly place in and/or win races. This was never my ideal boat before I "adopted" her (the previous owner literally gave her to me) but she has become a labor of love as well as an on-going experiment in creative rigging/racing. Hope you enjoy your boat at least half as much as I love mine. This site is an excellent source of help, advice and information. I highly recommend that you check and post here often. Rich s/v TIME BANDIT 1975 O'Day 22
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Gene Kauffman
Go with rope
Dave, Use Sta-Set or comparable instead of wire to rope. The newer New England ropes have very little stretch, especially on a small boat like a 22, and are easier on the hands.
Dave, Use Sta-Set or comparable instead of wire to rope. The newer New England ropes have very little stretch, especially on a small boat like a 22, and are easier on the hands.
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Dave Thomas
Thank you all.
I have ordered my all rope cusom made halyards from D&R Marine with a snap shackle spliced on. Better price than West Marine too... Dave
I have ordered my all rope cusom made halyards from D&R Marine with a snap shackle spliced on. Better price than West Marine too... Dave
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