Wire/rope Halyard to all rope + SBO Store Questions

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Cool Beans

Cool Beans

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Mar 8, 2011
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Ranger 33 Norfolk
I want to replace the Starboard Jib Halyard on my Ranger 33. It is unusable and just tied off to the deck and cutting peoples hands up :doh: Currently the Port Halyard hauls the Genny up the furler. . .

The Rope part of the existing wire/rope halyard is 1/2". . .that which is recommended by the SBO stores running rigging calculator is only 3/8". Brand of line is Samson XLS. I was planning to just tie a snap shackle I have to the end. Sheaves are all combo rope/wire sheaves in fair to middlin' condition.

Any thoughts on the size and brand of line recommended by SBO? I'm not all that sure about any of this, just going by whats recommended. . .

Thanks ;)
 
Chris Patterson

Chris Patterson

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Oct 17, 2011
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Ericson 29 Southport..
Well, there's no doubt that 3/8" will haul a sail with little trouble. You would be hard pressed to make it fail.
 
RichH

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Run all ROPE high tech & low stretch halyard. Change the sheaves when 'handy'.

.... unless you 'like' having your hands sliced and diced and ripped by the meathooks that accompany 'wire' combo-halyards. ;-)
 
FastOlson

FastOlson

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Apr 8, 2010
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Ericson Yachts Olson 34 28400 Portland OR
We changed out our orig. wire/rope halyards many years ago. Originally sized 'bout like your old ones.

We changed to 5/16" T-900 which really does the job... strong as the shroud wires and it even holds in our clutches.

You'll really like the "new" stuff.
Even reduces the total weight aloft, as a fringe benefit.
 
Stu Jackson

Stu Jackson

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Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Our boat's a bit bigger than yours, but 3/8" works just fine for us. I recommend, as others have, low stretch line. Just don't buy Sta Set X, is has a horrible hand and is very stiff. Definitely NOT recommended. Buy from the SBO Store, right here.

Also, buy a halyard shackle, do not use a snap shackle unless you want to start going up your mast to retrieve it...
 
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bffatcat

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Jun 8, 2004
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Pearson 26W Marblehead
Wire & Rope Halyards

Since the introduction of no stretch rope they have pretty much faded into the past My 75 pearson 26w had wire to rope halyards when I bought it in 2000 They were obsolete then
I immediately changed all my halyards to 5/16 stayset X
 
Cool Beans

Cool Beans

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Mar 8, 2011
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Ranger 33 Norfolk
groovy, I'm sold. . .just need to put the order in. As for the snap shackle. . .every halyard on the boat came with snaps, except the main (which has a halyard shackle). There are a couple extra new ones laying around, figured I would save a buck ;)

Are they really that bad?
 
Joe

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
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Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
My most recent halyard I opted for a captive pin halyard schackle rather than a snapshackle..... snapshackles are designed for releasing under load if needed... I couldn't imagine a scenario where I would need that feature. Perhaps you can.

Anyway, I tried sta set X as a replacemet....... not good... it is stiff and has a bad hand as stu observed, plus also very difficult to splice because of its construction and didn't come in solid colors. Since the masthead sheaves on my Catalina 27 restricted the size of line to 1/4" or less (they were set up for 1/8" wire) I chose to build a "tapered" halyard with a high tech single braid Dyneema core, covered with an inexpensive polyester cover over the part that is handled and cleated. There is a 1/4" difference between core and cover....... so I used 3/16" Samson Amsteel core, covered with 5/16" Samson LS, using the LS core as messenger for its Amsteel replacement.

For your 33 footer I would go to 1/4" hi tech core with a 3/8" polyester cover.

The single braid core is very easy to splice an eye into.... I created a "luggage tag" long eye that allows you to bend the shackle on and off easily. The other splice is the "taper" where you bury the end of the cover into the middle of the core. Both splices are very simple with a minimum of tools needed........ instructions are available on the Samson website.... actually all the cordage manufacturers have splicing instructions...

Cost wise........ I purchased 85 ft of 3/16 amsteel on sale at San Diego Sailing Supply for 80 cents/ft..... 43 ft of 5/16 Samson LS for 45 cents/ft and 15 bucks for a captive pin halyard shackle. Total cost was around $100 including the shackle... I'll put this halyard up against any other and it cost less to boot.
 
Cool Beans

Cool Beans

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Mar 8, 2011
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Ranger 33 Norfolk
Next time I'll shop local and learn to splice myself. . .12 business days till shipment :lame:

. . .been a week so far . . .ho, humptey dee, twiddle dee dum, "twiddles thumbs" :poke:

Da dee dee dah, dumpty doo dah. . .tralala, trolololo. . .
 
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