I have a 1976 Oday 22 with the shoal keel. The boat is very satisfactory except for poor upwind performance, as the shoal keel provides little lift and a minimum of lateral resistance. Oday discontinued this keel and introduced the centerboard model in later years, apparently to address this problem. Can anyone provide a comparison between the two regarding upwind performance? It will have to be a major difference in order for me to sell my boat and buy essentially the same thing with a centerboard! By the way, the centerboard model was also dropped in favor of the new 222. Was it because the centerboard model was still a poor performer?
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The 222 has a centerboard
The 222 has a shoal keel and centerboard, I think most of the O'day trailerables built in the '80s do, with the exception of the 240. I know some folks have trailers for their 272s (wing keel) but I don't know if they would want to refer to the boat as a trailerable. My experience with the shoal keel / centerboard arrangement on the 192 is that the centerboard makes a significant going to windward as long as the boat is moving well. It is a foil and has to have water flowing over it to generate lift, the amount of lateral resistance it provides at low speeds is in proportion with it's relativly small size. I don't pretend to know what O'day's rationale was in replacing the 22 with 222. In my opinion the 222 is a more modern looking boat with an open interior. They did give up the private head which was a major distinguishing feature between the Oday 22 and the Catalina 22.
The 222 has a shoal keel and centerboard, I think most of the O'day trailerables built in the '80s do, with the exception of the 240. I know some folks have trailers for their 272s (wing keel) but I don't know if they would want to refer to the boat as a trailerable. My experience with the shoal keel / centerboard arrangement on the 192 is that the centerboard makes a significant going to windward as long as the boat is moving well. It is a foil and has to have water flowing over it to generate lift, the amount of lateral resistance it provides at low speeds is in proportion with it's relativly small size. I don't pretend to know what O'day's rationale was in replacing the 22 with 222. In my opinion the 222 is a more modern looking boat with an open interior. They did give up the private head which was a major distinguishing feature between the Oday 22 and the Catalina 22.
222 windward ability
The only thing I can tell you about the 222 windward sailing ability is; Years ago we anchored in an area outside of Menemsha at Martha's Vineyard, and sat out a storm for the night. It was pitch dark and I had my wife and youngest son with me on the trip. I didn't want to chance going into the narrow entrance of Menemsha Pond. I had raised my centerboard for the night as I always do when I anchor and we spent a bumpy night on the hook. In the morning, the wind was still blowing and the sea was still running, and I had to claw my way out of there. As I was beating out, I couldn't understand why I wasn't gaining any ground, until I noticed that I forgot to lower my centerboard, which I did promptly. I can attest to the fact that the centerboard really made a difference that morning, and we pulled right out of there in good fashion. Anyway, yes--- the 222 O'Day has a better windward sailing ability and is faster than the O'Day 22, only because it has a different shape hull and a centerboard, but that doesn't mean that you can't have fun and enjoy your 22. Let's face it,-- the "J" boats are faster than my 222 and they probably point higher, but there is a trade off for that luxury, and I'd rather stick with what I have. What it all boils down to is, maybe your boat fails on windward sailing ability compared to another boat of it's size, but it gains better accommodations in the cabin and cockpit. I've raced my 222 against an O'Day 25 and 26 keel-centerboard cruisers, and beat them both in that race, but when I see the cabin accomodations in these boats I get a little envious. O'Day built a lot of 22s so they must have been a popular boat at that time.
The only thing I can tell you about the 222 windward sailing ability is; Years ago we anchored in an area outside of Menemsha at Martha's Vineyard, and sat out a storm for the night. It was pitch dark and I had my wife and youngest son with me on the trip. I didn't want to chance going into the narrow entrance of Menemsha Pond. I had raised my centerboard for the night as I always do when I anchor and we spent a bumpy night on the hook. In the morning, the wind was still blowing and the sea was still running, and I had to claw my way out of there. As I was beating out, I couldn't understand why I wasn't gaining any ground, until I noticed that I forgot to lower my centerboard, which I did promptly. I can attest to the fact that the centerboard really made a difference that morning, and we pulled right out of there in good fashion. Anyway, yes--- the 222 O'Day has a better windward sailing ability and is faster than the O'Day 22, only because it has a different shape hull and a centerboard, but that doesn't mean that you can't have fun and enjoy your 22. Let's face it,-- the "J" boats are faster than my 222 and they probably point higher, but there is a trade off for that luxury, and I'd rather stick with what I have. What it all boils down to is, maybe your boat fails on windward sailing ability compared to another boat of it's size, but it gains better accommodations in the cabin and cockpit. I've raced my 222 against an O'Day 25 and 26 keel-centerboard cruisers, and beat them both in that race, but when I see the cabin accomodations in these boats I get a little envious. O'Day built a lot of 22s so they must have been a popular boat at that time.
I agree with Joe.
Joe from Digton Ma. has more experience with 222's than I. This being my first season back to sailing in 50 years I found right off the bat that my new found 1986 222 points to windward very well. Participating in a local wed night race group near Toledo on Lake Erie, the 15 to 18 boats that race in three different classes proved to be edcuational and fun. The first group of boats to start were called the Jib & Main boats about 5 race here. The second group to race ( about 7 boats including myself ) is called the Fun Boats.( No protests allowed) and the last boats to start are the very serious racers and allowed to use their spinnakers. PHRF boats. In the first group of boats there is a 25 O'Day that is very very fast, a couple of 27 footers something and a 32 foot.. The first race I found that I could always out point all these boats and catch up during windward runs. However they were faster on the reach and down wind runs and they would loose me. Don't have the experience with the reg 22 although there is one 22 at my marina but I have never seen the owner or have I ever seen the boat leave the dock. I have been told that the shoal draft and centerboard contributes greatly to the windward ability. On the other hand I have been told that a full keel boat sorta lumbers to windward. I can see this with a full keel 19ft Cape Dory Typhoon I race with. They are very good sailors but I can out point them every time.
Joe from Digton Ma. has more experience with 222's than I. This being my first season back to sailing in 50 years I found right off the bat that my new found 1986 222 points to windward very well. Participating in a local wed night race group near Toledo on Lake Erie, the 15 to 18 boats that race in three different classes proved to be edcuational and fun. The first group of boats to start were called the Jib & Main boats about 5 race here. The second group to race ( about 7 boats including myself ) is called the Fun Boats.( No protests allowed) and the last boats to start are the very serious racers and allowed to use their spinnakers. PHRF boats. In the first group of boats there is a 25 O'Day that is very very fast, a couple of 27 footers something and a 32 foot.. The first race I found that I could always out point all these boats and catch up during windward runs. However they were faster on the reach and down wind runs and they would loose me. Don't have the experience with the reg 22 although there is one 22 at my marina but I have never seen the owner or have I ever seen the boat leave the dock. I have been told that the shoal draft and centerboard contributes greatly to the windward ability. On the other hand I have been told that a full keel boat sorta lumbers to windward. I can see this with a full keel 19ft Cape Dory Typhoon I race with. They are very good sailors but I can out point them every time.
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