Window Replacement Installation Advice

May 11, 2023
5
Cal 33-2 RKYC
I'm looking for some advice on installation for new cabin windows. I think I know what I'm doing but wanted a pulse check to avoid any messy and timely rework.

Complete:
I've removed my old cabin windows (frameless). Cleaned up the old windows to use as templates for the new acrylic. Cleaned up the window recesses on the boat and filled and faired any low spots that were damaged during removal (glass stuck to the window with the adhesive prev. used).

Plan:
1. My old windows had almost zero gap around the perimeter of the window and the frameless recess which caused the leaking issues and my reason for changing the windows. I'm going to shave the new glass to provide a 1/8" gap all around (my recess that overlaps the acrylic is only 3/8" to 1/2" so I don't have much to play with to increase it any more than 1/8").

2.) Paint Glass - Per the attached pic, the old glass didn't have black paint hiding the window recess but did have an offset stripe to hid the edge of the interior window frame.
Question -> I had old bronze polycarbonate windows, 1/4". New windows are 1/4" dark smoke acrylic #2074. Will this be dark enough to hide the interior frame? Will the glass combined with the black VHB tape be sufficient to avoid painting the acrylic at all?
Question -> What is the best paint to use to get a good bond with the tape?

3.) VHB tape - #5952, Black. Planning to double up the tape to give the tape a bit more grace to accommodate any surface defects, etc.

4.) 3M Primer #94 - Indicates its yellow. Will this be visible under the glass when applied and dried? Do I even need the primer? Note... my window recess's are fiberglass with smoothed out resin. It is not gelcoated. Should I put on a think coat of gelcoat? I was thinking no as it's one more component that could fail when the tape is applied (i.e. gelcoat separates from the fiberglass and not separate from the tape)

5.) Not planning to use screws to hold the glass due to the narrow recess and drilling holes and risking a blow out. Reading other forums, my cabin curve is very small in this and area and I'm hoping the glass will stick instantly to the tape. Worst case I'll use some wood to brace off the lifelines.

6.) Install 795 around the perimeter. 1/8" gap all around. Is there any benefit to beveling the glass 45 or 60 degree to give the caulk a bit more depth?


Appreciate any input.
 

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Jan 4, 2006
7,169
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Take a look through the archives here and you'll literally find an encyclopedia of information, both good and disastrous. You seem to be well on your way.

5.) Not planning to use screws to hold the glass due to the narrow recess and drilling holes and risking a blow out. Reading other forums, my cabin curve is very small in this and area and I'm hoping the glass will stick instantly to the tape. Worst case I'll use some wood to brace off the lifelines.
Only thing I don't agree with unless the recess is just too small to get screws into. The 795 is going to take weeks if not months to cure as it cures through the edge which could be as much as an inch. This is the way Hunters are installed and it's near impossible to see unless you put your face up to the glass. If you look closely, you can only see 2 or 3 of the screw holes after the screws have been pulled after a month and covered with 795.

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May 11, 2023
5
Cal 33-2 RKYC
Take a look through the archives here and you'll literally find an encyclopedia of information, both good and disastrous. You seem to be well on your way.



Only thing I don't agree with unless the recess is just too small to get screws into. The 795 is going to take weeks if not months to cure as it cures through the edge which could be as much as an inch. This is the way Hunters are installed and it's near impossible to see unless you put your face up to the glass. If you look closely, you can only see 2 or 3 of the screw holes after the screws have been pulled after a month and covered with 795.
The lip of the recess is only 3/8" wide in some places. That means I'd be drilling screw holes in the glass 1/8-3/16" in from the edge of the glass. I'd be worried about blowing out an edge. Same issue on the fiberglass lip.

Your install looks good. Did you paint black on the backside of your glass or is that the VHB tape only?
 
Sep 24, 2021
386
Beneteau 35s5 Telegraph hrbr Thetis Island
You could dry fit the windows, mask that off and paint the recess on the cabin rather than the inside of the window. Alternatively ensure you 'paint' the entire overlap with black 795.. I also like using screws as a backup; you can paint the heads if you choose to leave them in place as we did. Also mask off the inside perimeter during the dry fit to aid cleanup later.

If you're concerned about the lack of material to drive screws into, maybe build some wood frames for the inside that are substantial enough to take the screws - cleans up the interior look as well. IIRC the Cal won't have excessive curvature for that?
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,169
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Your install looks good. Did you paint black on the backside of your glass or is that the VHB tape only?
That's the original factory installation showing how they use screws to temporarily hold the window in place until the 795 cures. Gonna take some real head scratching to overcome the narrow landing problem.
 
Jan 7, 2011
5,462
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
Take a look through the archives here and you'll literally find an encyclopedia of information, both good and disastrous. You seem to be well on your way.



Only thing I don't agree with unless the recess is just too small to get screws into. The 795 is going to take weeks if not months to cure as it cures through the edge which could be as much as an inch. This is the way Hunters are installed and it's near impossible to see unless you put your face up to the glass. If you look closely, you can only see 2 or 3 of the screw holes after the screws have been pulled after a month and covered with 795.

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If the OP uses VHB tape to hold the windows in place, and the 795 is just to seal up the outside edge, would screws be needed to keep the windows from moving?

Greg
 
May 11, 2023
5
Cal 33-2 RKYC
If the OP uses VHB tape to hold the windows in place, and the 795 is just to seal up the outside edge, would screws be needed to keep the windows from moving?

Greg
That’s my hope going in. I’ve seen lots of stories of success without the screws and there really isn’t much curvature which the 1/4” plexi should be fine with. Why I was thinking to use the 3M primer to give a bit extra insurance on the bonding.
 
Jan 7, 2011
5,462
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
My O’Day 322 was built with some screws in the plexiglass, and that is where they are cracked.

If I can help it, I won’t use screws when I replace mine.


Greg
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,169
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
would screws be needed to keep the windows from moving?
Mind skipped over the VHB tape. Yes, that would eliminate the need for screws.

Did you ever stop to think HOW you would remove old windows sometime in the future that had been installed with VHB tape now ? THAT would be a monumental job compared to removing old 795.
 
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Sep 24, 2021
386
Beneteau 35s5 Telegraph hrbr Thetis Island
I think the acrylic can crack at the screws when overtightened.. with a good bed of 795 the window should not show any deflection/dimple at the screws (if you use them)
The windows shown below were probably done 5-6 years before the pic was taken.. no cracking at the screws.
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Apr 8, 2010
2,091
Ericson Yachts Olson 34 28400 Portland OR
The OP has really gotten serious about this and it sounds like he/she wants to do it right so as not to have any future leaks. :D

Ours are installed similar to the ones pictured in reply 10. The 'trick' is to float the new lens on a bed of sealant that will keep its grip on both the boat and the lens. These two surfaces expand and contract very differently in heat and cold.
Here is a link to my blog entry on our new lens' done as part of a full re-fit in 2021. Never a leak thru any Western Oregon wet winter.
 
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Sep 24, 2018
3,282
Catalina 30 MKIII Chicago
Mind skipped over the VHB tape. Yes, that would eliminate the need for screws.

Did you ever stop to think HOW you would remove old windows sometime in the future that had been installed with VHB tape now ? THAT would be a monumental job compared to removing old 795.
VHB is used to adhere badges and logos on cars. Floss and a hair dryer work well for removal. I've read a few reports of boat owners using only VHB without issue. 3M makes like a 100 different varieties so it's best to call them up to find the correct one for the application. The RV and trailer industries have many window and panel installs that use VHB without mechanical fasteners from the factory
 
Jan 7, 2011
5,462
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
Mind skipped over the VHB tape. Yes, that would eliminate the need for screws.

Did you ever stop to think HOW you would remove old windows sometime in the future that had been installed with VHB tape now ? THAT would be a monumental job compared to removing old 795.
I guess I am hoping that in another 30 years, I will have sold the boat, and may have my ashes sprinkled on an ocean…so not my biggest concern :)

Greg
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,169
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Floss and a hair dryer work well for removal.
You've got to wonder about someone in Florida in mid July who has previously used VHB on a complete window replacement for their boat. Goes down to the boat one day and ................... no windows :yikes:.

3M makes like a 100 different varieties so it's best to call them up to find the correct one for the application.
Was not aware of that. Could be embarrassing to use the wrong one.
 
May 11, 2023
5
Cal 33-2 RKYC
You've got to wonder about someone in Florida in mid July who has previously used VHB on a complete window replacement for their boat. Goes down to the boat one day and ................... no windows :yikes:.



Was not aware of that. Could be embarrassing to use the wrong one.
I did actually call 3M and they did recommend 5952 which seems to be the consensus I've seen on the countless posts on the interweb for this project.

I have also had the thought, how the heck would you ever remove this stuff in the future if you had to change the window again.
 
Sep 24, 2018
3,282
Catalina 30 MKIII Chicago
I'd rather remove VHB than 5200. I'd use a hair dryer or heat gun if I'm not re-using the window along with a razor blade or scraper to remove the majority of it. Then I'd try these in the following order: decal remover wheel, Roloc bristle brush and Scotch-Brite finishing wheel. Acetone or similar solvent may help as well. No matter what is used, it will take some elbow grease to get it off
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