Windlass problem for Hunter 45 CC

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Sep 5, 2009
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Hunter 45 CC Marina del Rey
We have a new Hunter 45CC. In order to let the chain up and down without jamming we have to keep tension on the chain in the locker by hand. The windlass manual (SL, Sprint Atlantis 600) says we need 300 mm depth in the locker what we don't have since we use 200 feet chain. Anybody has the same problem?

Thanks,
Viktor
 
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Windlass

Hi Viktor, we have the same situation with our 1991 P42 that is equipped with 50 feet of chain and 250 feet of rope. I've anchored hundreds of times and as the windlass brings the rode in I always pay the rope and chain off of the drum and gypsy by hand to prevent jamming. I would continue to do the same even if I had all chain rode.

I suppose I could go to the time and expense of redesigning the anchor locker to avoid the manual effort. I suppose one could also install a bow thruster, anchor wash down system, etc., etc., etc. I'm happy with what I have and actually prefer at least some manual effort albeit minimal at best. Sorry but no help or sympathy from this corner.

Terry Cox
 

natotm

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May 5, 2006
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On an new boat I would certainly check that the gypsy and chain are compatible. They all look the same to me (lol) and it's easy to get a mismatch.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Hunter does not make the windlass. They simply install it and the chain rode. What natotm is suggesting is that the chain and windlass may be miss matched. Check with the manufacturer of your windlass for the correct chain size and design.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
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Maybe check the manual that it's all the correct size chain for your it possible some one used the wrong chain.
My Hunter 36 needs help only when retrieving the anchor does bunch up and than jam,I push it down as it starts piling up before it bunches up too much and keep from jamming,for the most part it works pretty good with just a little help.
Also check with the windlass company.
Nick
 
Jun 3, 2004
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BC 37 Back Creek, Annapolis
Searching for 'Simpson Lawrence Sprint 600' windlass on the Web, I found a manual that indicates use of 1/4" chain, not 3/8". See p. 21 of the PDF at
http://www.pyacht.com/SL-Sprint-600.pdf
There may be some optional gypsies for that windlass that take larger chain, but it seems unlikely it would leap up to 3/8". Are you sure that is the windlass you have since it seems small for your boat? They could have given you the wrong manual. You may want to access the underside of the windlass to look at the label for a mod number or call Hunter to confirm.
 
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To me it appears that Viktor has the same problem that we have. The chain has a tendency of bunching beneath the gypsy causing the chain to jam the windlass. This tendency is due to the gradual slope of the locker design into the well. As the well fills, the chain backs up to the gypsy.

Our well is compounded because of our spare anchor and rode. Paying in by hand to me is no big deal, a necessity here because of the rope part. But then again it could be a mismatch of chain and gypsy.

Terry Cox
 
Oct 10, 2008
277
Catalina 445 Yorktown
IMHO, it's just another poor engineering design by Hunter. The windlass are undersized for the boats they installl them on, the size and slope of the anchor locker insuffiicient to accommodate the rode, and the bedding is not strong enough to prevent flexing when the windlass is under load, thus causing it to bind and eventually overheat the motor. Hauling in the anchor is not supposed to be a "babysitting" effort, especially when conditions call for rapid retrieval and movement away from your mooring location. Hunter still has a lot to learn in this area.
 
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Our 1991 P42 came equipped with a Maxwell windlass, 40 pound Danforth and related rode. As I have mentioned before many times we have anchored hundreds of times all over PNW waters. This system has always worked well for us. This windlass is plenty strong enough to handle every situation that we have encountered.

I consider the overall design of this model boat and all of its systems that continue to perform after all these years to be a testament to Hunter quality design. I consider the slope of the anchor well that requires that I hand pay the rope and chain to be a very minor issue. I prefer the idea of being at the windlass while launching and retrieving the anchor where I can monitor the situation.

Terry Cox
 

Stitch

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Jun 1, 2007
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IMHO, it's just another poor engineering design by Hunter. The windlass are undersized for the boats they installl them on, the size and slope of the anchor locker insuffiicient to accommodate the rode, and the bedding is not strong enough to prevent flexing when the windlass is under load, thus causing it to bind and eventually overheat the motor. Hauling in the anchor is not supposed to be a "babysitting" effort, especially when conditions call for rapid retrieval and movement away from your mooring location. Hunter still has a lot to learn in this area.
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I have the same problem with my 2009 Hunter 33. It's an anchor locker design problem. Check out a video of the windlass on my boat, and the thread with the other issues I'm having problems with:

My Windlass Operation (youtube)

The real New Hunter Experience
 
Dec 19, 2006
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Hunter 33 Fallston, MD
My wife and I have a 2005 Hunter 33. I would not even consider anchoring any boat without being on the bow monitering the anchor rode payout myself. I certainly have had small issues with chain jams , and I fix them every time in a second or two. The very fact that the windlass switches are located on the bow of the boat demonstrates that this is a process that must be monitered. I find this complaint to be ridiculous and I find this fellow with the ugly nickname to be an angry, spitefull fellow. I bet Hunter Marine wishes that they never made the sale. Yes there were problems, yes the problems were corrected, yet the vitriol seems to remain. Too bad. It must be a sad and pityful thing to have to sail a boat that you hate that much. My wife and I love the boat. We are very satisfied.
 
Jul 25, 2004
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Hunter 42 currently in New Zealand
Viktor,like Terry, we have a 1991 Passage 42. I just checked out some video of your boat, and see that your windlass-to-anchor-well system is somewhat like ours in that it is a drop into a well that opens directly to the deck, and doesn't have an immediate vertical drop from the windlass. I carry 350 feet of 3/8" chain for my rode, and used to carry 350' of 5/16" chain, and I have always had to hand-tail the chain. I have anchored many hundreds of times in all different conditions, and have always thought it is a safety hazard to have to handle the windlass chain under adverse conditions. I'm sure we have all read the stories about sailors who have lost fingers in windlasses. As a result, I have spent MANY MANY hours pondering, reading, and talking to others about improving the system so that hand tailing is not required. It would not be an exaggeration to say I have spent over 100 hours to this end. My end conclusion is that any modification to set up a system that doesn't require hand-tailing on a boat like yours and mine would incur more expense and disadvantages than benefits. It would require substantial structural modifications, and I'm unwilling to do that.

Having said all of that, I have always remembered to keep my hands away from the side of the chain that is headed INTO the windlass, and I've been OK. And I have weighed anchor in everything from a lee shore w/a fetch in 40 knots with waves breaking completely over my head and the forward 1/3 of the boat to riding a "bucking" bow caught on numerous coral heads as we've wound our way around to untangle it in the wind and waves.

I agree with Terry---it's just something to get used to. I wouldn't trade the security of having the ground tackle appropriate for your anchoring needs just for the convenience of "hands-off" anchor retrieval.

HOWEVER, should you find a better way to do this PLEASE share it with the rest of us.

Cheers,
Paul.
 
Sep 5, 2009
135
Hunter 45 CC Marina del Rey
Dear Paul:

I do now the same as you lowering and lifting the anchor - not a big problem. It would have been good if Hunter would have mentioned it in its manual so you have no surprises. Overall we love our Hunter 45CC.
 
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