Winch tower build - opinions welcomed

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RECESS

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Dec 20, 2003
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Pearson 323 . St. Mary's Georgia
Call for pricing? Rly? On a winch tower rig? I think they are going to be a tad higher than the total investment of $140 I have in this whole rig, including the steel and cold galvanized if I have to call for a price. You do have to pay for someone to put it all together sooner or later.

I got my parts for the tower from Trailer Parts Super Store

I do think some rubber stripping may be in order to save wet shins.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,198
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
sorry, I thought you said "opinions welcome". Your design was flawed..... how much is that worth?
 

RECESS

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Dec 20, 2003
1,505
Pearson 323 . St. Mary's Georgia
I received great opinions. They really helped. The "or you could just buy this" not so much. Thank you for your time though.
 
Oct 22, 2008
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- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Originally, yes,, there were some serious problems with the design. However, by the time you commented, the design was pretty well hammered out...and quite workable... The height problem and the bow chock position problems had been fixed. :naughty:

sorry, I thought you said "opinions welcome". Your design was flawed..... how much is that worth?
 
Oct 10, 2006
492
Oday 222 Mt. Pleasant, SC
One question, how much space is there between the piece that holds the mount for the bow chock and the bow of the boat. Looks fairly close. I'm trying to imagine the angle of the boat on the water and the trailer on the ramp. Looks like there might be interference. Now that you have the angle of the strap right, you might be able to flip your chock back to the top.
 

RECESS

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Dec 20, 2003
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Pearson 323 . St. Mary's Georgia
It looks much closer in the picture than it really is. You have about the width of your hand, or I guess my hand as that is what I put down there to look at it. If I put the chock back up top I would have to run the strap through the chock bracket.
 
Oct 10, 2006
492
Oday 222 Mt. Pleasant, SC
I thought it might not be as close as it looked. Feeding it through the bracket wouldn't be too bad to do, I would think, but if what you have works, go for it.
 
Dec 23, 2008
771
Catalina 22 Central Penna.
sailboat trailers

Sailboat trailer

Everyone go out side, sit down at a distance from the side of your boat on the trailer and think of what you have seen at the marina and see if it applies to what you’re looking at now.

When you were at the marina, you mostly saw power boats being launched and retrieved. Think of what the hull of a powerboat looks like, a planing hull, the sides are straight, the stern is as wide as the mid section and the bottom is flat or has a deep V center with two flat bottoms leading up to the bow where it starts to curve. The guys back the trailer half way into the water and attach 10 to 15 feet of line to the boat and with the winch crank it onto the trailer. Think about the trailer, the bunks, if you do not remember that they were perfectly straight then do a internet search for power boat trailers and you will see.

Now what do you see, a displacement hull, much bigger in the middle with nice curved sides and bottom, all of the curves lead to the stern or the bow, the stern was not designed to sit deep in the water but actually out of the water, if you have a waterline stripe it will run in under the stern to it’s very bottom tip. Then there’s the keel, hanging down below all of these curved bottom lines. LOOK at the trailer bunks, curved to fit the shape of the hull. Newer Macgregors are a compromise and resemble a power boat in design.

Do you now think you can retrieve this boat on to that trailer like you’ve seen power boats being done at the marina.

NO! You can not! .. if you are, then you’re applying forces to the boat and trailer beyond their design. Bow eyes become loose on the boat and the mounting bracket of the trailer winch will bend into the up position and appear loose also.

Sailboats are much heavier than power boats of equal length and if you’re water ballast then out of the water you’re much heavier.

Sailboats must be floated onto their trailers. You must place your trailer deep into the water so the front of the bunks are 2 to 4 inches below the surface of the water. If you can not achieve this then you need an extension on your trailer so you can!

Placing the front of the bunks under the water surface allows the boat to float up to about 1 to 2 feet from the bow chock.

Here is where “RECESS” may have some problems with the placement of his bow chock. Some of you fellows have questioned this and what may happen is in the final procedure on a successful trailer docking.
As stated the winch is not for winching the boat out of the water onto the trailer and the tower is not for keeping the boat from sliding off the trailer as it is pulled down the highway. Your boats bottom is curved and the bunks are curved, your boat will not slide off but bounce off, so running a strap around the boat and bunks will eliminate this,
So now the front tower with a bow chock becomes a stop for the exact placement of the boat on its trailer. Too far forward and the tongue weight affects the handling of the tow vehicle, too far backwards this affects the handling of the trailer, so the exact placement on the trailer every time is very critical, 1 to 2 inches difference can start to make problems towing.
After you FLOAT the boat onto the trailer bunks, think of this, your boat is perfectly level floating on the water, but your trailer is on an angled launch ramp, so they do not match up in the vertical dimension but when you pull the boat up to the front trailer stop, the tower and it’s chock, the boat and trailer is in the correct horizontal dimension.
If you float the boat up to this front boat stop, the stern of the boat is floating above the rear of the trailer bunks so when you pull everything out of the water the back of boat moves down onto the rear of the bunks, the forward area resting on the front of the bunks will now act as a pivot throwing the bow up and away from the tower and thus unweighting the tongue and making the trailer unstable at highway speeds.

You submerge your trailer, you float your boat up to 1 to 2 feet from the front trailer stop.
Now what you want to do is lift the bow up out of the water thus sinking the stern, this is why the winch must be level or slightly higher than the final boat position. The front of your trailer bunks are submerged and wet so the hull will slide on them very easy and with a mooring line attached to the bow a person should be able to pull the boat forward another 6 inches thus lifting the boat bow a couple inches up, now your boat is only 6 to 18 inches from its final resting place. The boat is no longer level, it is starting to match the angle of the trailer on the launch ramp! Attach the winch which is now in easy reach and finish pulling and lifting the bow of the boat up to a predetermine limit.

As you crank the winch the bow will move forward as well as up, RECESS’s bow eye may come in contact with his chock before it reaches it’s final position. What would be idea l is for the chock to be in a position above the bow eye so when the boat reaches its final position on the trailer the chock acts as a final stop guide as the bow eye touches the bottom of the chock. If someone is helping you “just crank until the boat eye touches the black rubber trailer stop”.

Your winch will only be lifting a couple hundred lbs.. not half the boat weight, and the boat will now match the angle of the trailer.

Note: I’ve attached a bow roller so I can pull and lift the bow of my Catalina 22 to within 6” of the bow chock thus only making a couple cranks on the winch. If you attempt to do this place the roller 1/2 to 3/4 inches below the hull so the weight of the hull is not on this roller when towing. This roller will help with the lift because when standing in front of the winch you can only pull not lift, the roller will create less resistance than the hull sliding on the front of the bunks, the winch will then lift the hull up away from this roller at it’s final stopped position.
 

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Oct 2, 2008
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Island Packet 31 Brunswick, Ga
Buy a premade tower, well Yea, but where is the fun in that? this thread wouldn't have happened, and i would not have learned some handy stuff about trailers. I am going to go out now with a flashlite and take a new more educated look at mine. it seems to work pretty good though. the guys at the club helped me level my boat on the trailer with the lift: we pull the boat with the trailer, then lift the boat off the trailer, then level it back down onto the trailer. I now have a new appreciation of their knowledge and their help for this "newby".
and thanks for everybody pitching in their ideas and experience for all of us asking questions.
 
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RECESS

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Dec 20, 2003
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Pearson 323 . St. Mary's Georgia
I have launched and retrieved my boat but forgot to post about it. It worked great. It sled the last few paces to the bow chock effortlessly. In another thread I had spoke of a ten foot extension I was building and that worked really well. I really did not feel the need to bring the boat all the way to the chock before driving the boat out of the water, the keel was already very far up on the trailer and the boat moved forward with the winch easily while it was dry on the trailer. I appreciate Watercolors input but I can assure that none of those concerns where ever present.
 
Sep 19, 2006
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SCHOCK santana27' lake pleasant,az
i have a larger version

with 2 chocks and my winch pulls the eye up over the top chock which sits pretty high so i can winch it up laying on the fore deck so i dont have to get in the water in the winter time (yes, we sail all year around) did you think of this ;)
 
Oct 2, 2008
1,424
Island Packet 31 Brunswick, Ga
where to support the boat off the trailor

I thought it might not be as close as it looked. Feeding it through the bracket wouldn't be too bad to do, I would think, but if what you have works, go for it.
While we are on the topic of trailers: where it the best place to support an oday 26 if it is off the trailer? should all the weight be on the keel. or should it be on the hull where the bunks would normally lie ? What about the distribution of weight when it is on the trailer?
thanks
keith
 
Sep 19, 2006
643
SCHOCK santana27' lake pleasant,az
While we are on the topic of trailers: where it the best place to support an oday 26 if it is off the trailer? should all the weight be on the keel. or should it be on the hull where the bunks would normally lie ? What about the distribution of weight when it is on the trailer?
thanks
keith
about 75% on the keel on or off the trailer;)
 
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