Wildlife Waste Is Major Water Polluter Studies Say

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Nov 27, 2005
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Scientists have run high-tech tests on harmful bacteria in local rivers and streams and found that many of the germs ...... come from wildlife dung !! *pop http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/28/AR2006092801994.html?nav=hcmodule This should start a lively discussion ;)
 

jimq26

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Jun 5, 2004
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No Sh-t? What human fed them?

Silly man. If humans stopped feeding the geese / racoons etc. etc. the animals would be crapping their normal diet that they have been doing for thousands of years. Only takes mankind a couple of hundred to screw it up eh?
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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I have often wondered if there were more

wild ducks, geese, swans, etc. on the Chesapeake bay than there are chickens today. The big difference is that we are taking all of the filter feeders out as fast as they reach market size. A ten year moratorium on oyster, clam and menhaden catching would make an enormous improvement in water quality.
 

abe

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Jan 2, 2007
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Just go up to the Sierras....little human activity

can't drink the water in many streams. Animal pollution, Giardia, E Coli..you name it. Why do you think back packers filtrate and add tablets to clean the "mountain stream waters"? Tired of blaming man on everything...at least we clean our sh*t.
 

jimq26

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My breakfast can of Coors Light says different.

Those mountain streams are crystal clean and clear - says so right on the label.
 
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Bacteria Counts

Notice that they are only measuring bacteria not other forms of pollution. I sure wouldn't swim near a bunch of geese. But science can be twisted to come up with strange results. It would be interesting to know their methods and sampling locations. Having seen a sewage treatment plant turn a whole river brown I have yet to see geese have a simular impact. Also sewage is treated with chlorine before discharge so in theory there shouldn't be any live bacteria in a sewage discharge. Anyone want to swim in disinfected bacteria free s**t!!!! How many million people live around Washington DC??? How many hundred/thousand deer??? This is part of a plan to blame nature for all problems. Kinda like Reagan blaming trees for the air pollution in California. Technically Reagan was right. Trees contribute a lot of volatile organics to the air. But then the only solution is to strip away all vegetation from the land....some would prefer this to restraining our use of oil. To blame wildlife for water pollution is absurd!!! Chesapeak bay's water problems stem from 20 million people living nearby not from a few deer in a park.
 
Jul 8, 2004
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Worry about human pathogens.

Old Salt: Bacteria are almost everywhere and most are probably beneficial to us and the "environment". Best to worry about human pathogens and toxics that are from humans. Occasionally bad things like giardia are carried by wildlife, but bacteria and even most forms of E. coli are ever-present and not detrimental, so best to worry less and sail more. RK
 
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Non-Point Source Discharges

The bulk of our issues when is comes to the impact on streams and rivers is more with non-point source run-off from pesticides, insecticides, herbicides, and other "cides" then what comes from animal and human wastes. Collectively non-point source discharges have greater impact on our health, the ecosystems and surface water health then the e.coli coming from an animal deficating in the stream. During a US Coast Guard Spill Response conference, I asked an Admiral during the break, "is my chlorinated discharge (hypothetical) from my vessel in tidally influenced water, really making an impact on that stream"? In which he replied, "son, look what a whale puts out on average every day"?! Well, I have never seen a whale in the ICW and the question and answer was dated back in the early 80's before MSD regs were tightened up, but obviously the Admiral did not see the occasional discharge of human waste in a tidal stream that critical back then. E.Coli bacteria prevalent in humans and animals is a serious matter and we recently witnessed the recent spinach scare, raw oyster warnings and even consumption of fish in certain locations all due to e.coli contamination. A fast babbling brook with plenty of aeration zones will recover faster from an impact then a stagnant waterway. I would be more concerned these days about that industry along the river violating the effluent standards of its NPDES discharge permit and whats going into the river that will really make you sick, then a flock of Geese dumping a load along the way that most likely will get degraded or attenuated in a flowing stream. We can always talk "Siltation" impact next if you want to broaden the subject matter! Bob Georgia
 
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E.coli never the problem

E.coli is not normally a pathogen. E.coli is normal flora in mamalian guts and not normally found in water except from fecal contamination. E. coli is used as a marker in that it is assumed if E.coli is present it came from feces in the water. Pathogens aren't the real problem in Chesapeake bay it is the nutrients. Sure a whale can make a lot of poop. But the whale doesn't introduce new nutrients it just recycles nutrients that are already present in an ecosystem. I have no doubt that a "yard freak" that uses herbicides,insecticides and fertilizer to excess does far more damage to the bay than someone pooping in the bay. Now if you are talking about contamination of shellfish then the poop is a problem!!! Catching hepatitis from raw shellfish is a real problem.
 

Ross

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I can't say about the entire country but

in Harford County the domestic livestock population exceeds the wild life population. Urban runoff has a major impact on Baltimore harbor because the is no vegetation to slow and filter the runoff. We have some well managed beef farms that average one animal per acre with carefully tended stream buffer zones. The runoff from these farms has no adverse effect on stream quality as measured upstream of the farm and down stream of the farm. Most wildlife populations are never this dense and almost always the vegatation cover is uninterrupted. A major problem in most urban areas is sewage spills of a wide range of causes. In these cases the spill amounts to hundreds of thousands of gallons to millions of gallons. All of the boats on the bay on any weekend couldn't dump that much waste into the water.
 
Feb 6, 1998
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Ya mean like??

"Quote" "Statistics and studies tell the tale that the teller wants told!" Paul I know what you mean just like the global warming studies...
 

Ross

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Herb, I think Mark Twain said

There are lies, damn lies and statistics. No more need be said.;)
 
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