Why paint bottom?

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
The ways to prevent it are either vinylester… or an epoxy barrier coat
On the other hand you can accept it like acne and deal with the process of popping, drying out, patching (epoxy filler and barrier coating), and repainting every couple years.

On a 49 year old boat, as long as the water is not invading the fiberglass the hull it is still sound.
 
Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
There is plenty of reliable and sound information about gelcoat blisters that is based on good research and science. If I recall correctly MIT conducted a lot of research. @Davidasailor26 is correct, gelcoat is permeable. In the early days of fiberglass boats water would permeate the gelcoat and react with partially cured polyester resin and form an acid which caused the gel coat to blister blister. A change to vinyl ester resin and the use of epoxy barrier coats, like Interlux 2000 eliminated blistering.

As for the original question, is bottom painting necessary? If you don't mind scraping your boat frequently, then there is no reason to apply antifouling paint. Applying an epoxy barrier coat is generally a good idea to prevent blisters and to protect the gelcoat when scraping barnacles or sanding between antifouling paint applications.
 

Skip K

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Feb 8, 2023
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com pac 19 San Pedro
As for the original question, is bottom painting necessary? If you don't mind scraping your boat frequently, then there is no reason to apply antifouling paint. Applying an epoxy barrier coat is generally a good idea to prevent blisters and to protect the gelcoat when scraping barnacles or sanding between antifouling paint applications.
The epoxy barrier coat (and anti-fouling paint) was renewed two years ago. How often should the barrier coat be renewed? Is it time to paint again?
 
May 17, 2004
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Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
The epoxy barrier coat (and anti-fouling paint) was renewed two years ago. How often should the barrier coat be renewed? Is it time to paint again?
The epoxy barrier coat, if not mechanically compromised, should last much more than that. Antifouling paint does not last nearly that long and so needs to be recoated. Some antifouling loses its effectiveness quickly once out of the water (single season paints), and some is multi-season, but still the biocides eventually leach out or ablate away. You’ll need to lightly sand the paint to let a good surface for the fresh coat. Just be careful not to go too far through the paint and into the barrier coat.
 
Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
The epoxy barrier coat (and anti-fouling paint) was renewed two years ago. How often should the barrier coat be renewed? Is it time to paint again?
The barrier coat needs to be renewed when it has been sanded through to the gelcoat. One trick is to use alternating colors of barrier coat. When you see an underlying color coming through the barrier coat, then it is time to patch the area or if it is extensive, then reapply the barrier coat. Barrier coats don't wear away, they get damaged by sanding off older antifouling paint.

Different types of antifouling need renewing at different intervals. Some last a year, some multiple years. If you use an ablative paint use two coats and different colors. When the base color shows through, it's time to repaint. Scraping and cleaning the bottom will shorten the paint's life as some of the paint almost always comes off with cleaning.
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
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Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
The epoxy barrier coat (and anti-fouling paint) was renewed two years ago. How often should the barrier coat be renewed? Is it time to paint again?
I believe properly applied barrier coat is expected to last about 20 years. Of course, it depends upon if it gets damaged or sanded away. At least that's what I was just told as I'm about to apply Interlux barrier coat to my boat.

dj
 
Jan 4, 2006
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Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
I believe properly applied barrier coat is expected to last about 20 years.

I can provide evidence of 22 years here on a 24 YO boat. I allowed the boat to sit out for a long hot summer to ensure it was dry after sanding with #80 emery. Went over it with a fine toothed comb and all looked solid before the Interlux 2000E went on followed by one tracer coat of black Micron CSC. I get the bottom cleaned by a water cannon every year and have yet to see a trace of blistering. Maybe the Interlux or maybe just good luck but I'm standing pat until I see something different down there. I never sand as the bottom paint is ablative.

Of course, it depends upon if it gets damaged or sanded away. At least that's what I was just told as I'm about to apply Interlux barrier coat to my boat.
Is this your first time barrier coating or is this a removal and recoat ?
 
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jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
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Jan 25, 2011
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Not sure about the vinylester “cure”. S2 was one of the first, if not the first, to switch to vinylester. Still had blisters.
 
Nov 22, 2011
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Ericson 26-2 San Pedro, CA
Not sure about the vinylester “cure”. S2 was one of the first, if not the first, to switch to vinylester. Still had blisters.
Can't speak to what S2 may have done, but vinylester is much less prone to blistering than polyester.
 
May 17, 2004
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Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
Not sure about the vinylester “cure”. S2 was one of the first, if not the first, to switch to vinylester. Still had blisters.
Did S2 use full vinylester throughout or only an extra layering of vinylester gel coat? Beneteau uses vinylester but only a thin gelcoat of it. Burn through that and it exposes polyester with the usual osmosis concerns. As a result they actually recommend against barrier coating on new hulls, since the prep for the barrier coat requires sanding the surface, which would compromise the vinylester layer.
 
Sep 24, 2018
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Catalina 30 MKIII Chicago
The guy I bought my dinghy off of stated that the motor boaters on the lake he moored at used no bottom paint. Instead they did an acid wash at the end of the season. Just throwing out another option. Feedback and opinions on this method are encouraged
 
Apr 11, 2020
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MacGregor 26s Scott's Landing, Grapevine TX
The guy I bought my dinghy off of stated that the motor boaters on the lake he moored at used no bottom paint. Instead they did an acid wash at the end of the season. Just throwing out another option. Feedback and opinions on this method are encouraged
Two things about that - One, if a motorboat is used frequently enough, bottom growth is not as much a problem, particularly in fresh water. Speeding through the water tends to strip much of it off. Two, having a boat out of the water for several months a year is very helpful in preventing blistering due to osmosis.

OK, another thing - very few motorboaters race, so peak performance is not as critical.

Apples and oranges?
 
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Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
The guy I bought my dinghy off of stated that the motor boaters on the lake he moored at used no bottom paint. Instead they did an acid wash at the end of the season. Just throwing out another option. Feedback and opinions on this method are encouraged
The OP is in the Caribbean where slime is not the only issue, barnacles and all kinds of other marine flora and fauna like to set up housekeeping. It will take more than an acid bath to clear the growth.
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
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Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
Is this your first time barrier coating or is this a removal and recoat ?
Removal only of existing bottom paints, going down to the barrier coat put on in 2000. So I can attest to a solid 21 years without problems, but now there is some small incipient osmosis cells and as I'm heading off for extended sailing I'm just redoing the barrier coat.

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PaulK

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Dec 1, 2009
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Sabre 402 Southport, CT
To circle back to the OP's idea about foregoing paint and simply cleaning the bottom...
He suggests a monthly cleaning to avoid having to paint. When we tried keeping our unpainted Soling in the water instead of drysailing it, we ended up having to clean it off once a week if we wanted to keep growth from slowing us down on the racecourse. Warm water in the Caribbean might tend to promote more growth, and faster than we had in Connecticut.
 

Skip K

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Feb 8, 2023
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com pac 19 San Pedro
To circle back to the OP's idea about foregoing paint and simply cleaning the bottom...
He suggests a monthly cleaning to avoid having to paint. When we tried keeping our unpainted Soling in the water instead of drysailing it, we ended up having to clean it off once a week if we wanted to keep growth from slowing us down on the racecourse. Warm water in the Caribbean might tend to promote more growth, and faster than we had in Connecticut.
I don’t race the boat, it’s a com pac 19. But the growth on the bottom is mostly at the water line, much less under the water. The type of growth is seasonal with long green strands of algae, about an inch a month, in the winter, or cute little sprout-like plants, also about an inch long, in the summer. Under water it’s not green, but gray sludge, that scraps off in mats. We get a lot of sargassum here, and there’s some speculation that it scours the bottom and that the hydrogen sulfide has some effect on slowing the growth.
 
Jun 14, 2010
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Robertson & Caine 2017 Leopard 40 CT
I have painted the bottom of my boats forever, but now that I own a small boat, 19 feet, I wonder if it is worth it? I keep the boat on a mooring in the Caribbean, true. And growth does accumulate. But I clean it off once a month, use a plastic scraper on the hard stuff, and can even clean the full keel. I use scuba to get under the bottom in those hard to reach places. Is there some reason, other than growth, to paint the bottom? If I keep it clean why paint?
If you don’t paint, you’ll need to clean it more frequently. It all depends on what’s more convenient. In most areas people need to clean soft growth every 4-8 weeks even if they use antifouling paint, as the soft growth provides a foothold for the hard growth.
I think you’ll need to clean it more than once a month if you don’t paint.
In southern New England seed barnacles attach to a unpainted hull within a week, but they wipe off easily with a rag. After 2-3 weeks you need a scraper for the larger ones, by 4 weeks you need a scraper and sander (or acid) to remove the calcium deposits remaining. I would expect Caribbean to have at least as much growth.
@Skip K you should do what you want, your results will help you decide. This isn't a major issue for a 19 foot boat.
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
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Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
There is an aspect that I don't see mentioned - perhaps it isn't a concern. Some of the barnacles or other creatures that attach to your bottom are really tenacious. In trying to clean some of these off, I've definitively removed bottom paint in the process. Now, I have no idea of how that would affect your gel coat if there were no bottom paint, but for me personally, I'd rather have a loss of bottom paint in the cleaning process rather than potentially removing gel coat. Now, maybe that won't happen, but I've had to do some pretty aggressive cleaning sometimes to get my bottom clean - then it just gets bottom painted again...

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