Whisker pole with spike or with dual latches?

Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
I realize that this is very subjective, but curious to know what is your preference? I lost (maybe stolen is a better word) my whisker pole and will be ordering a new one from SBO. For the life of me, I cannot remember if it had latches on both ends or a spike. Gee I am getting old. LOL
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,553
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Mine has latches on both ends but... it came that way so I can't call it a preference.
 

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Jun 1, 2004
8,164
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
I would prefer a latch with a trip line on the outboard end, so you can clip it to the sheet and slide it into position.
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Clipping whisker pole to jibsheet...jaws up or jaws down?
I clip jaws down on symmetrical spinnaker in a Thistle or Flying Scot. I imagine it might be easier to gybe the pole with jaws up, such that the pole falls off the sheet, but I can't see trying to clip the pole onto the sheet by pushing up the pole end. I can't see clipping the pole up onto the mast ring, either. No skippers I've crewed for have ever suggested differently, including the J24 racer. In fact, with a sym spin, the pole is hanging there from the topping lift anyway, so again I can't see how you'd clip upwards.

My small boat has an adjustable Forespar whisker pole with spike. I can't imagine any improvement clipping upwards to the mast ring.
 
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Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Clipping whisker pole to jibsheet...jaws up or jaws down?
Whisker poles are different from spin poles, the loading is different. You do want the sheet to come out of the jaw if remotely tripped.

If you use a topping lift (and you should), generally you go jaws UP so a trip will let the sheet fall DOWN and out.

If you don't use a topper (shame on you) you need to look at how your setup works and how the clew positions relative to the pole. The will let you know how to set it up.
 
Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
Interesting discussion. I actually had to look up the difference between a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.

I did find a picture of the deck of my boat and the pole was there. Hard to see but it had the clasps on both ends. So I just ordered a new pole from SBO.
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,241
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
I've always been confused by the term jaws "up" or "down". I always thought jaws "up" meant that they open facing up. Apparently jaws up means they face down so that the line can drop out. That's news to me. I thought it was awkward to use the whisker pole with jaws "up". Now I know why ... "up" means facing down. :confused: I've been bass ackward!

Forespar seems to have a good discussion ... they say jaws open down for whisker pole because the line tends to drop down and out. They say jaws open up for spinnaker pole because the line tends to lift up and out. I love it when I learn something on this site! :cool:
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,241
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
So I just ordered a new pole from SBO.
Cool, so which one did you get? Forespar with the twist lock? I bought the Selden with the push buttons. So far I'm happy with it. Reason I selected the Selden is that it has 2 settings that match the foot of my head sails, and the design setting is close to a perfect match for spinnaker pole length on my boat. The pole is designed to be used either way.
Kings Gambit says the push buttons are dopey because you can lose a finger tip. I can see that ... I'll have to watch out!
 
Nov 26, 2008
1,970
Endeavour 42 Cruisin
Track is partly installed right now for my new Forespar Velocity 12-24 carbon fiber whisker pole! Should be done tomorrow.

Will be awesome with my new Code Zero!
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
I've always been confused by the term jaws "up" or "down". I always thought jaws "up" meant that they open facing up. Apparently jaws up means they face down so that the line can drop out. That's news to me. I thought it was awkward to use the whisker pole with jaws "up". Now I know why ... "up" means facing down. :confused: I've been bass ackward!

Forespar seems to have a good discussion ... they say jaws open down for whisker pole because the line tends to drop down and out. They say jaws open up for spinnaker pole because the line tends to lift up and out. I love it when I learn something on this site! :cool:
Scott you are right, it DOES seems backward until you think about your jaw, which is like he 'C' part of the end. Jaws UP means teeth DOWN, and the line drops out! ;^)

So yes, 'jaws open down' actually means 'jaws up'!
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Track is partly installed right now for my new Forespar Velocity 12-24 carbon fiber whisker pole! Should be done tomorrow.

Will be awesome with my new Code Zero!
You're going to fly a code 0 off a pole??? That should be interesting.. We tack 0s to the bow and they still want to rip it off. Can't image that load on a pole.
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Track is partly installed right now for my new Forespar Velocity 12-24 carbon fiber whisker pole! Should be done tomorrow.

Will be awesome with my new Code Zero!
Wait a minute.
You're going to fly a code 0 off a pole??? That should be interesting.. We tack 0s to the bow and they still want to rip it off. Can't image that load on a pole.
You know, I was thinking if you wanted a code 0 to go deep enough that you'd want a pole, then at that point you'd probably want to swap it out for an asym spinnaker, for those deeper angles... Jackdaw would know better.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Wait a minute.

You know, I was thinking if you wanted a code 0 to go deep enough that you'd want a pole, then at that point you'd probably want to swap it out for an asym spinnaker, for those deeper angles... Jackdaw would know better.
Yea 0s are for close reaching, meaning the of the tack of the sail is near the bow. A pole is at its WORST in that position. So I don't get that.

I also don't get why someone would get a code O for a masthead boat that can fly overlapping genoas up to 150+. Code 0s were designed for fractional boats with non-overlapping headsails (jibs only). This type of sail plan rocks generally but suffers in lighter air reaching. That's why 0s came to be. A boat that can fly a genoa is best off just doing that and not dealing with the complexity of an unstayed headsail!
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Jackdaw, how closer are "drifters" and code 0's? Are drifters kinda similar to a code 0, just made out of light spinnaker cloth for very light wind days? And I guess drifters are a stayed headsail, and capable of going higher upwind than a code 0?

I suppose if one wanted to, they could pole out (with a very long pole) a code 0 for very deep reaches and DDW work, just blowing away using drag. But cruisers nowadays spend much time reaching and then motoring upwind, so it seems a cruising asym would be a more versatile sail, since it would be sailed on a reach and develop lift, rather than the drag of a poled out code 0.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Jackdaw, how closer are "drifters" and code 0's? Are drifters kinda similar to a code 0, just made out of light spinnaker cloth for very light wind days? And I guess drifters are a stayed headsail, and capable of going higher upwind than a code 0?

I suppose if one wanted to, they could pole out (with a very long pole) a code 0 for very deep reaches and DDW work, just blowing away using drag. But cruisers nowadays spend much time reaching and then motoring upwind, so it seems a cruising asym would be a more versatile sail, since it would be sailed on a reach and develop lift, rather than the drag of a poled out code 0.
Drifters are STAYED sails, and as such can fly much closer to the wind. It is really a big genoa make out of (typically) 1.5 oz nylon spinnaker cloth.

Code 0s can push the apparent wind angle (AWA) so far forward that it SEEMS like you are going upwind, but in fact the TRUE wind angle does not come much above the beam. If you REALLY want to go upwind, you need a stayed sail.

This is my favorite wind/sail chart. You can see the range of the drifter (yellow - LIGHT) with the Code 0 (blue - 0A)


For even LESS wind you go with a wind seeker (WS). This sail is made of nylon as well but is tall and skinny. In light airs wind detaches from long sails and just creates drag. We'll put this up and take down the main in very light conditions.