Which Anchor is best?

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Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Gary, We were down at the boat today and

the "Flats" were clearly defined by the abundant grass. At low tide you could see several square miles of green. I your mast is short enough there is room in the low rent district(owens Marina) above the Amtrak Bridge.
 
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Hermit Scott

Manson

I like the concept of the manson. It looks pretty easy to build also.
The websites that you all offered were very educational. Except how can you tell what kind of bottom is down there. They take it for granted that you know that it's rock, mud, coral ect.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,081
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
what kind of bottom is down there

is why they make CHARTS.

Suggest you buy a book called Chapman's or Dutton's on seamanship, boating and navigation. Or go online and learn about charts. Try http;\\www.boatsafe.com
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,081
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
what kind of bottom is down there

is why they make CHARTS.

Suggest you buy a book called Chapman's or Dutton's on seamanship, boating and navigation. Or go online and learn about charts. Try http;\\www.boatsafe.com
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
I dont weld, you do !!

Scott:

I dont weld, you do.
I dont have a Mechanical Engineering background, you do.

When I lived in Biloxi,a friend on mine had an older 33 Hunter. He wanted to make his own anchor. We kicked around the idea for a weekend and thought......Hey, all of the shrimp boats here have only one anchor style and the go from Florida to the Mexican border. So, he made one. He tested it out during some rough weather at anchor and it held just fine. It also fits perfectly on a bow roller.

Do you know what I'm talking about? Next time in Rockport, go past the shrimp boats. They have an anchor with 2 spade points opposite each other and a long bar that helps in preventing the anchor from rolling. If it does roll for whatever reason, the other spade point will be clean and dig in.

Make me one and I'll test it out for you.LOL.
Seriously, if all the shrimpers are using them, there must be a good reason.
The only down side I see is that they are heavy and bulky.

If I were you, I would go down to the docks and study them, Then I would look at how you could reduce it to fit you Catalina 30.

I have mostly used a Danforth style anchor for most of the Gulf. In grassy areas, I use a plow. The only thing bad about the plow is trying to retrieve it.
In soft mud, They really dig in.

If you use a plow or the shrimper style, you will definately need a windlass.

Tony B
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,081
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
The only thing bad about the plow is trying to retrieve it

That should NOT be considered a PROBLEM, but rather a strong ENDORSEMENT.
 
May 10, 2004
207
Beneteau 36 CC Sidney, BC, Canada
just my 2 bits worth - get a 13 kg real Bruce anchor

http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/manson-supreme-anchor.php
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
An anchor will actually improve with age....

An anchors holding power will actually improve with age.

I know this must be true because as my anchor has got older it is actually harder to pull up!
 
Jul 1, 2004
398
Catalina 30 Atlanta GA
Here's what worked for me

When I cruised the ICW, it was real simple.........Danforth for sand and Plow for mud. That was before all these fandangled new designs came out promising to hold the Queen Mary! Granted it, over the years anchor design and holding technology has advanced, but look at most bow sprits or anchor holders and you'll see the trusty pair of Danforth and Plow nested together on a great majority of vessles.

The key to any successful anchoring is a large enough ANCHOR, sufficient CHAIN and SCOPE. We all start out clumsy on anchoring and my ICW experiences can fill a book! But, like anything else you get better with practice. The Danforth and Plow never let me down.

Bob
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,952
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
why carry two

why spend the money on two sets of anchor, chain and rode.

I've set the Rocna in sand, mud, heavy clay and weeds. It held in 35 knot wind in sand, it held in 52 knots in heavy clay with the wind blowing us sideways and over on a 20 deg. heel and on less than 4:1 scope. It was set so hard that I had to use considerable throttle to break it loose the next morning and brought up a huge chunk of clay with it. I've set it in heavy weeds and brought up a huge weed ball two days later. It has always set within a few feet and stayed set in wind shifts up to 270 deg.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,081
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
In the old times, when I cruised

the Mediterranean in my trusty Norseman 44 seater, we used only two anchors, our rock (in mud) and our other rock (in sand). We never had a problem, making sure that one or two of the slaves dove down to check the set, and sometimes came up. All these new fangled anchors are just a crock because when you looked down the dock in our day no one even had anchors on their bowsprits. The key to successful anchoring is more rocks and less depth.

:):):)
 
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Hermit Scott

anchor

I will think about it before I start welding one together. The shrimpboat anchor looks the simplist, but the plow concept seems like it would hold the best for the weight. I definitely want a bow roller, that looks convienent.
Tony, My wife put together a myspace page for our sailboat restoration. www.myspace.com/sailboatspace I will post pictures of the bottom when I get it out of the water.
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Stu, but remember the Roman Navy?

Stu, those Norsemans were good boats. Some of the Norsemans even invaded the Med. Weather the weight measurements using "stones" in England has anything to do with the weight of anchor stones is a good question.

There was this guy that came up with a newfangled solution to make the Roman Galleys faster by eliminating all that heavy weight on the bow. He discovered a new light-weight rock on Sicily made of cinder that size-for-size was much lighter than the old heavy rocks the Roman Navy was using. If I recall, I think his name was Fortrustus. Anyway, he found these light-weight cinder rocks then got a Galley to test them and somehow wound up with a glowing report.

The advantage to using a lightweight anchor rock is readily apparent because this meant the Galley could be a little faster. The Roman Navy subsequently bought up on this new technology and converted their ships.

To hopefully answer Pauls question, as for drums and whips, it was just about this time that Lions came into common use (you know, the Christians vs. the Lions?), and it was found the slave Oarsmen (or, now more politically correct, Oars-persons) could be threatened with the Lions instead of having to use whips. The advantage to this method meant there was now no need to have a Whipperson on board and this resulted in a further saving weight. As you know, those guys were big bruisers, and, it was a very tiring job.

As they say, "all is not gold that glitters" and the Romans soon found out that the new lightweight anchor rocks had some drawbacks such as rusty leachate (from the cinder rocks) that stained their bulwarks. One advantage to the old heavy rocks were they could be found on the beach, free for the taking, thereby eliminating the middlepersons (finally getting this down pat) to drive up costs.

There is not much said about the Fortrustus anchor rocks anymore although there are still some around used for backup for for special occasions.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Anchor

Scott
I just looked at your Myspace. Your wife did a great job. The boat looks to be in better condition than I expected. But, cant usually tell much from photos. Anyway, have you been on the catalina owners website? It is very helpful.
A bowroller is the way to go. If you can to see a Catalina 30 with a tall rig, they have a "bowsprit" of sorts with bow rollers. I'm sure you can fabricate the necessary parts. Also check around, maybe there is a nautical flea market coming your way and you might be able to pick up a plow for a reasonable price. Plows work well in many bottom conditions. In lake Ponchartrain, I learned to NOT use a plow. We anchored for a few days and it took several hours to get the anchor back. I think is sunk down halfway to China.
I head back to work again sunday night, I'll be gone for 2 weeks but I will be on the internet every day.
It's difficult to stay focused. I usually have several projects going on at the same time. Some require more money than time and others require more time than money.Keep on plugging away.
I'll be lookin forward to more pics.

Tony B
 
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