Where is best place to buy sails

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Aug 24, 2005
3,704
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
John

I am the guy who paid $70 for the varnish. I take exception to your contention that I don't care about my sails. After buying my boat used I have had both my main and jib recut because I was dissatisfied with their shape. Ii pay $70 for a quart of varnish because I think it is the best. I also shell out money to make sure my sails are the best.
 
Sep 24, 1999
1,511
Hunter H46LE Sausalito
the question was not what sails are "fine"...

...rather, the question was, and I quote, "Where is the BEST place to buy sails?" (emphasis added). I keep my boat in a port, Redwood City, where there used to be five chandlers. Today, there are none. Why? Mail order. If you want an actual store where you can purchase a block or a winch handle, you can travel south to Palo Alto and find a West Marine, or north to South San Francisco and find another West Marine. The closest independent chandler, Svendsen's, is the better part of an hour away. Not very convenient when all you need is a shaft zinc. Anyone noticed the price of shaft zincs at WM lately? There are only a handful of sailing lofts left in the entire SF bay area. Most of these are part of big chains. North. UK Halsey. Quantum. Doyle. We have one big independent loft left: Pineapple Sails. One. This is not about privileging one brand over another. It's about the fact that there are fewer and fewer options left to purchasing generic sails. The fine art of sailmaking is being lost, and we're all to blame. The relevance of my point about about the sails I used when racing one design is this: same boat, same rig, same material, same sailmaker, but vastly different sails fine-tuned to our needs. My argument has nothing to do with sailing a sport boat rather than a jalopy. They both need good sails. The argument, rather, is that I'm convinced that buying cheap, generic, mass-produced sails is a false economy, because they'll lose their shape so quickly that you'll end up paying far more in the long run, and probably sailing less. Higgs, I apologize for any inference you or anyone else made that you (or anyone else) doesn't care about the quality of your sails. The problem may indeed be that I care very little about my varnish; I use Man-O-War spar varnish that I purchase in the local hardware store. It lasts a year if I'm lucky, and I spent the better part of this morning applying a new coat. Unfortunately, I buy it in a chain hardware store (OSH) because my town no longer has independent hardwares. Or bookstores. Or.... Support your local sailmaker. When we lose them, we might as well all convert to trawlers.
 
Jun 4, 2004
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Hunter 28.5 Tolchester, MD
Local Sailmakers

I'm with John on this as well. I've had Skelly Sails in HavreDegrace, MD talk me OUT of having work done when they convinced me it wasn't needed. They also called me at home and to tell me they could get more hoist dimension on my new Genoa if I used a shorter splice at the halyard as the longer splice was running up into the sheave. Max Skelly measured the curve of my mast both with and without the adjustable backstay 'on'; he pointed out that I didn't really need a flattening reef on my new loose footed main because the foot tension was adequately adjusted by the outhaul. He noted I really didn't need some of the high tech (and more expensive) sail cloth types for the mainsail. We talked about adding roach to the main and raising the clew so we could get the boom end above a new Bimini. Since they no longer did Bimini's, he recommended a competitor whose work he respected! Years before, his dad discussed the various sail cloth and design option for first a 155% Genoa based on how we expected to use the boat. We repeated the discussions with different design and cloth selections when we got a 135% Genoa a couple years later (higher wind range). If either sail were on a roller furler, it would have been cut completely different; if the boat had a shoal draft keel, we may have elected to use smaller headsails. Production boats are not all the same; design by a computer is still limited to the input that is provided; depth of camber for sails can and should vary if you have a double spreader or single spreared rig and you will sail with those sails hopefully for many years. Prices in all cases were very competative, but all those sails fit perfectly, and have lasted for many years. So, Pat, for cost and quality I'd personaly continue to recommend a local sailmaker with whom I've personally had excelent experience (I realize from your second post you've not had the same experience in Chicago).
 
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Pete

What is the best:

-- boat to buy? -- restaurant to eat at? -- VHF? -- GPS? -- boat shoe? -- wax? -- bottom paint? -- etc? Please reply in 10 words or less....
 
Feb 19, 2008
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pearson 26 Pearson 26 Knowlton.
new sails

I can't say enough good about FX sails...I bought a new main for my O'day mariner last year and am more than pleased with both the sail and the service I recieved from them ( dealt with Bill JAMES).
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,982
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Only Garmin is any good, only idiots buy Raymarine :):):)

I understand where John F is coming from. The question, first, is what's "best" which both John and I covered in earlier posts. The other issue is simply the ability to order and have produced different shapes and configurations of sails. For instance, the draft depth and clew height of a jib. I personally DO NOT KNOW whether or not the mail order places can make those adjustments. I personally DO NOT KNOW if Pat, the person who asked the question, knows the difference. I DO know that Pineapple Sails will discuss this with the buyer. I DO NOT KNOW if mail order house #XYZ will do so. S.Sauer nailed it yet again. Perhaps some of you who have had success with mail order places can describe your experiences with those variables, as Mr. Sauer did with his local sail maker.
 
Oct 14, 2005
2,191
1983 Hunter H34 North East, MD
Pete...

Buy Practical Sailor & Chesapeake Bay Magazine's survey issue.
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,982
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
What is the best: ? ...easy...

-- boat to buy? the one you have -- restaurant to eat at? Mom's (or wife's cookin') -- VHF? least expensive, they're replaceable -- GPS? simplest, the technology changes too much and chartplotters give sailors a false sense of security and they forget how to use charts -- boat shoe? - new ones, since the old ones wear out and can only be used as slippers (BTW, I've found skateboard shoes to be pretty good, too - don't ask me how!) -- wax? whatever it is that Mainsesail uses -- bottom paint? this is a tough one, since we all sail in different waters -- etc? this is easy, all of it! :) Thanks for asking, Pete!
 
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Sean

Sails.....

Actually this entire tread is a bunch of crap. I'm sorry I spent any time reading it....
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,982
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Sean, it's like radio or TV

If you don't like it, just turn it off. :) What simply happened is that an analysis of asking a "what's the best..." type of question crept in, not without merit.
 
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