When the tough get going

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Jan 15, 2007
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Tartan 34C Beacon, NY
You want to know what it's like?

I posted this once before on a bulletin board in response to a question about what it’s like to be in a storm and this morning I just copied it from that posting. Somehow it seemed appropriate to this discussion given Capn Bill’s post. Be careful what you wish for, you might just get what you think you want. In October of 1976 I was in Hurricane Gloria on a 30 foot boat 550 miles east of Puerto Rico with 90 Knots wind speed and 45 foot (or larger, its hard to tell after the wave is higher then the mast) waves. To the north of me was the 590 foot 15,028 ton Sylvia L Ossa with a crew of 37. She sank with a loss of all hands sometime between the 13 to the 15 of October. During the height of the storm the truck fitting failed by cracking between the hole for the headstay clevis pin and the corner of the casting adjacent to the mast. When the headstay went the sound and the recoil were intense. Early in the storm I had a small storm jib just turn to dust. As it went the rig seamed to just grab the boat and shake it, the whole boat vibrated. The loss of the headstay was to say the least very awkward at the time. In trying to turn the boat downwind after the headstay went the rudder failed at the bolt for tiller when the bolt sheared off. When the rain would pass by, it would flatten the waves out and pound on the boat like thousands of hammers all trying to get through the deck and destroy everything. When the standing rigging started to vibrate you thought that the rig would come down or the mast would drill a hole right through the keel. Within the next hour the motion of the boat was so violent that the hull failed with a crack forming between the aft most keel bolts. You could see the sides of the crack moving up and down as the boat rolled. She started to make water at that point. After getting beat up for that hour I had the boat back under control. Before the storm was fully over the steering was repaired and a new head stay was up. The leak was getting bad so I started for the nearest dry land as fast as I could go. At this point Hurricane Holly was predicted to be coming my way and I had enough of bad weather so I sent out a Mayday by SSB and that was received by a Dutch tugboat and they relayed it to the German ship Hagen of the Hapag-Lloyd line. She had passed me in the night some 100 miles to the west but she turned around and came back to get me. When she got to me the wind was climbing and had reached 60 knots. When my boat came alongside the Hagen the crack at the aft two keel bolts propagated along the entire length of the keel. The bottom of the boat flexed downward and opened up at the bolts and she started to sink. In the hour so before we meet we spoke by VHF and they asked for the dimensions and weight of the boat. There plan was to weld a cradle to the deck and if they could they wanted to pick up the boat with two wire slings and swing her inboard to the steel cradle. When we did get together the captain kept his ship away from my boat a few feet and had two of his crew come onboard with wire cutters, they helped me off and then cut the standing rigging while some crew on deck got the mast. They brought the rig on deck and on the next roll she was out of the water. I don’t think she hit the ship but once during the entire time. That one strike crushed about ten feet of hull-deck joint. I had been beat up so much from going up the mast to rig a headstay that I couldn’t walk and that’s why I needed help to get off my boat. The entire rescue was over in under ten minuets and they never came to a full stop. When the boat was on deck I found that the fairing forward of the rudder had also failed and the keel had dropped over 1/2 inch by digging out the fiberglass under the washers for the keel bolts. You want to know what its like to see a storm wave from a vantage point only 3 or 4 feet above the sea. One of the few things in life that I can guarantee you is that it’s a vantage point you never want to have yourself. As I tell you this keep in mind that I really can’t make any intelligent comments on the wind speed or the height of the waves. If I remember it right my gauge for wind speed only went up to 75 statute miles per hour and I never had any way to measure the wave height. After the waves get to be higher then my mast all bets were off about guessing the height. There is the expected increase in wave height as the wind speed increases. During the period of increase you see a marked change in shape and height. The wave will start to climb in height and increase in steepness until they get their tops blown off. After that the wave are noticeably asymmetrical with a very steep face. The next thing is the top of the wave looks like it just falls over and the entire surface of the sea is covered by foam and spray from the wave tops disintegrating into foam. During the increase but before the wave starts to become chaotic in shape the lee side will have large patches of foam free water. There is a repeatable pattern to the height. You can count the average height waves as they go by and then the showstopper would come along right on schedule. You don’t have to watch to windward, you can feel the big one coming. Actually you can’t look to windward at the height of the storm; it hurts to put your face above the cockpit coming. You can hunker down in the cockpit and look past the lee side of the cockpit or stay in the cabin and look out the weather ports. Even then it’s tough to see anything because the weather ports had a great view of the sky most of the time and the lee ports were under water or pointing straight down. The background to all of this is the sound of two 747 jets dueling to see who can be the loudest. A gust in Hurricane Gloria would be better then 90 Knots (wind speed reported from Hurricane Hunter Aircraft that flew overhead) and would take the top of the wave right off. The wave top didn’t just fall over and create foam and spray, it was entirely removed and the air was filled with what I could only describe as a new type of water. A layer of water with enough air in it so you could get a breath now and then. This layer of water/air mix is not very high and when you look down wind (if you are in the cockpit you can only look downwind and your height of eye is only 3 feet above the water) you can’t see it at all. It looks just like a layer of spray. You would almost swear that the wave shape changed as the gust came through from a trochoid wave to a wave form with a flat top, The peak was gone and all that remained was a steeper leading edge of solid water with less spray hugging the surface near the top and a backside that had a surface layer of spray and foam that was several inches thick. As the boat makes it to the peak of the wave the boat will have lost a large amount of stability and just falls over. I know the rule about a wave being limited to a height of 1/7 of its own wavelength. But I would swear on a stack of bibles that the relationship doesn’t hold up in a gust condition and the wavelength will close up much faster then you would expect. It’s as if the wave changes in speed faster then it can change in height. The angle that you read about as the greatest angle that the face of a wave can support, I think its 130 degrees. Forget about that, I saw a wave go by that had a face that was close to vertical and it was as stable as a rock. Within seconds of the gust passing, the wave pattern will return to what it was immediately before the gust and the wavelength increases again. All in all, it was an experience that I would not want to repeat. But if you want to try it, be my guest and have fun. Good sailing and enjoy the weather, Robert Gainer
 
May 5, 2006
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Knutson K-35 Yawl Bellingham
Nah Robert. Gales are Ok

and the occassional storm is doable but Hurricanes? I went through 5 hurricanes on shore and damned sure wouldn't care to be in one at sea. No death wish here.
 
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Scott

I'll tell you what ...

I'm reasonably confident that we can handle just about anything that Lake Hopatcong can dish out. Why just a weekend ago, we were having fun on a downwind run with our full main up AND our 110 jib in gusts up to 25 knots and wavelets of almost a foot! A few other weanies were reefed at the time, I noticed. ;)
 
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Jim Harper

Robert Gainer's "You Want to Know what its Like?"

Robert, I deeply appreciate the detail of your posting. I think all sailers should read and come to understand that water behaves differently then in the manuals of seamanship that we have all read at different times. Most of the readers, myself included, are inland sailers, i.e. the Great Lakes, the major rivers or bays, i.e. Chesapeake, San Fran. etc and will never sail weather like this. Given your hurricane and the onset of structural failure of your hull, I can only admire your seamanship and your full candor and also humility in describing the voyage and its aftermath. In my own case, sailing on the Chesapeake or on Lake Michigan, I confess to being a weather chicken. When it gets uncomfortable and/or I start to recognize that I am approaching my limits, I head in. this recognition of limits can differ by boat, people with me, size and shape of the chop, etc. I respect the bodies of water that I sail upon -- especially Lake Michigan ...and try not to push my limits. I hope to never have to deal with a pending structural failure at sea ---er, at lake? I think most of us are like that and will leave the real storm sailing to our armchair reading sessions during the winter, when most of our boats are pulled and waiting for spring. By the way, what ever happened to your boat? Was she reparable? Or did you eventually scrap her? What kind of boat was she, anyway? Again, thank you for your postinig Jim Harper
 
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Captin Sometimes

High Wind and Low Water

Comming back from a trip last summer we were in 25-30 knot winds and a 6 foot chop. Our Hunter 28.5 handled very nicely. I wouldn't mind doing it again! High wind just adds to the fun of sailing. However, when we got back to home port we found that the water dropped to a depth of 3 feet in our channel. Our boat draws 4 feet. We used the strong northwind to heal the boat over. We would get going to a speed of about 4 knots with the jib up and the engine in reverse and the wind would shift off our bow and we would be stuck again. After a few more shifts, we made it in. This was the most intense part of the trip.
 
Jan 15, 2007
226
Tartan 34C Beacon, NY
Jim, the boat was a Chance 30-30

Jim, The boat was a Britton Chance designed Chance 30-30 built by Allied Boat Company in the Catskills on the Hudson River. After the Hagen picked up both the boat and I we got a ride to Tenerife in the Canary Islands first and then after some other stops went to Bremerhaven, Germany where my boat was unloaded. A person in the insurance department of Hapag-Lloyd, the owner of the Hagen, bought the boat and fixed her up to use for racing in Germany. After the dust settled I traveled around Germany for a bit then went to Norway and Sweden for a few weeks before returning to the US. With the money from selling the boat and the royalties from a book deal I bought another boat. All the best, Robert Gainer
 
Sep 27, 2006
14
Beneteau Oceanis 321 Cleveland, EYC
25 knots and 6 foot waves fun in a Catalina 30

My wife and I bought a Catalina 30 in 2002. It has a fin keel with a standard rig. It is our first boat, though I sailed for 6 seasons when I was younger. We sail about 200 hours a year, much of it racing. We sail from early May to late October on Lake Erie. The highest wind speed we sailed in was in the October 2004 Sea Dog Race held by Edgewater Yacht Club in Cleveland. At the start the winds were 10 knots and waves were 1 or 2 feet. However, three squalls came through the fleet. Winds built to a sustained 25 knots. Our JAM fleet captain said his wind instruments recorded a peak wind speed of 48 knots. Waves built to 8 feet or so. Very square waves. About two-thirds through the race we hove-to during a period of particularly high gusts. Roughly 75 boats started, 25 finished. 13 boats started in JAM, 2 finished. Boats had sails blown out and gear failures. One boat had a woman overboard situation. They recovered the crew member and won the race. The race course was 14 to 16 miles long, if memory serves me right. We won second place in the JAM fleet. We reefed our genoa to a thin blade equal to about a 25% jib. We did not reef the main. We had 4 men and 2 women on board, age range 50 to 65 years old. The crew had 3 to 20 seasons experience. We wore PFDs with harnesses, lights, and whistles. We used jacklines and tethers. We had an EPIRB and other safety gear beyond the USCG requirements. We put in our locking washboards in case of a knockdown or a flooded cockpit. We did not take any waves into the cockpit, just a rain and spray. Driving rain made visibility tough. I was the helmsman and I put on a pair of ski goggles. One other crew member put ski goggles on. We never would have been able to find all of the race course markers without our GPS. Spindrift and rain cut visibility to a low of about 100 yards at one stage. The markers were white plastic tubes with letters on them. I loved that race! It was a lot of fun and a great learning experience. Since then, I have gotten comfortable sailing our Catalina in up to 25 knots with 6 foot waves. Sometimes we deliberately go out in higher wind and waves to improve our skills. We use a 100% jib on the roller furler and one or two reefs in the main. The only thing I get anxious about is docking in a slip when cross winds are above 20 knots. Obviously crew makes a huge difference.
 
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Benny

I'm currently working at the 35 knot level.

My sailing buddy and me have made a conscious effort to continually hone and improve our skills. We started gradually going out whenever the winds were 20 knots or higher and we have worked ourselves to be comfortable and in perfect control in sustained winds of 35 knots. Our progress is now slow as the ocurrence of winds higher than that in our area is not very frequent outside of winds of major storms. We mostly sail Tampa Bay and the Gulf of Mexico but have sailed in the Caribbean where the trade winds average 20-25 knots. I was caught by a massive storm just outside of the Dry Tortugas. The storm hit us with sustained winds of 45 knots for about one hour. We "hove to" as we did not want to get near shallow water under those conditions. We did good and felt safe but I felt we were not in control, the storm was. By gradually increasing your abilities you will gain in confidence and will be able to sail in other venues.
 
Mar 28, 2005
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Hunter 260 AB
An acquired taste

When I stared 6 years ago (age 50) in a 22’ Tanzer 15kn was enough to keep me on the hard but each year I pushed it a bit. Then 3 years ago we purchased a Hunter 26 and as they say she is a bit tender and will scoot right along in a whisper. Over the next 3 years the threshold of fun climbed and we can now enjoy the low 20’s. Much more than that and the noise factor just gets to be a bit much the boat seems okay but you can’t hear yourself think. I found in anything above 15kn finding the right sail balance seems to have made all the difference between fighting the elements and having a great run. Phil…
 
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Final results

Final results for the Quick Quiz ending October 29, 2007: What are the toughest conditions you would choose to sail in? 45% 20-25 knots of wind, counter-current, moderate fetch 31% 15-20k knots of wind, no current, no fetch 16% 30-40 knots of wind, cross current, open fetch 10% 10-15 knots of wind, no current 1,007 owners responding
 
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