When Should Medical Conditions Prevent Sailing -- Mate (or Self Even)?

Jun 21, 2007
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Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
Brittle bones vs. safety concerns I hope will resonate with other forum members as well.

OK, the “mate” is my wife. But it could also be other friends. Or even ourselves as well.

Am I right to limit my wife from sailing?

The situation: Severe (really severe) osteoporosis caused by two and a half decades of steroidal and other drugs for on-going medical conditions. Coupled with progressing age; abnormal weakness in muscle strength as well. During last year's hospitalization (for other underlying issues), I mentioned to the attending physician that we sailed on San Francisco Bay. The doctor's response – delivered with a severely negative facial expression -- "Pop-Pop. Crack-Crack. Snap-Snap. Ugh!”

Although a concern now for a few years, its reached the point that I now feel its way too risky for an osteoporosis person to be on a sailboat. Just one moment of lost balance and bones will break. Hospitalization. Surgery. Maybe a convalescent home for a while for special care and rehab. The mortality statistics over the next couple of years or so following (say) a hip fracture really are quite dismal.

My wife knows all this but is trying to ignore. "Just won't happen. I know how to be careful".

So she is not taking my position well. Feels should be her decision rather than mine.

10 years ago, getting into sailing and buying a boat was 100% my idea. Wonderfully, she loves it. But only if things are happening. Being out in a good breeze is a must. Fog cascading over the Golden Gate Bridge towers and container ships passing by adds to the appeal. The San Francisco waterfront or the Golden Gate Bridge needs to be the destination.

She doesn't like just floating around in no wind. Nor does she like motoring.

For those not familiar with central San Francisco Bay sailing, calm or moderate wind conditions are virtually never certain in advance planning. During our spring/summer/fall, wind velocity and direction can change from 1 kt wind to +25 kts over only a few hundred yards different location. Currents and chop are variable and can be extreme. A skipper must be on top of his/her game constantly.

We have compromised sort of by sailing with the jib only so that I (and the boat) have less sail area and variables to contend with.

But still, my fear is that being on a boat in raucous conditions is risky for a person with brittle bones. Too risky maybe even with no sails up! One moment of inattention by me, or not warning her in advance to "hang on" because of an upcoming wind gust or that the boat is about ready to lurch due to a wake from a passing ferry ... And she/we could be in trouble.

And I have saved this thought for last. Sailing solo is my very natural for me and I actually prefer it sometimes. But because she is upset about me telling her sailing is now too dangerous for her, I also am now sailing very infrequently. I feel bad for her when I am out without her.

So am I right to exclude my wife?

What do most of you think about having on board a physically compromised person?

Are you able to tell them "NO"?
 
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Jul 14, 2015
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Catalina 30 Stillhouse Hollow Marina
She knows the risks. Let her go, but limit her activities.
 
Jan 6, 2010
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Rard,

That's a hard call pal.

Obviously, your wife has a sailor's spirit & refuses to let her age or condition detract from this.
There is no ONE good answer here. I myself am getting alittle long in the tooth & have noticed some slight changes but, I was never a believer of, "Going quietly into the nite." I will only go out kicking & screaming.

My motto to folks is, "What ever you have been doing in life that got you to this point, keep on doing it."
However considering your wife's condition, I don't have a magic answer & so, I cannot comment. In the past 13 months, I took care of & buried my dad, then my stepdad & most recently my mom. So I've been here before & questioned how to proceed hoping to give them quality of life. But this logic doesn't always work.

I feel for you both so keep in mind, that there are no happy endings; there are only HAPPY days.

My thoughts are with you both..........

CR
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,432
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Considering that your wife loves sailing, this is a really tough call. How do you live without really living? I think I'm with John & Ron (and your wife). Besides, compromise may give you more comfort in sailing solo on occasion. I feel for you. It's not always easy to know what is the right thing to do.
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
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1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
It's her call. I think she will tell YOU when it's time for her to hang it up.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Get a new boat the ONE PERSON can sail and MANAGE 100% of the time. Or stop.

Having her hurt herself on the boat can be disastrous. As solders know, seriously wounding someone in combat is better than killing them, it takes TWO out of the fight. If you're tending to her you can't sail.
 
May 24, 2004
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CC 30 South Florida
Since you asked I will tell you that I have to side with your wife. I believe that decision is a personal one; after a certain age we come to the realization that we are on a downhill slippery slope and that at no time in the future we will be more capable of doing what we enjoy at present. She is obviously the adventureos type and may not be ready for the rocking chair yet. On the other hand you folks are a couple and the decisions of one affect the other. I do not think it would be fair if you kicked your mate off the boat and then continued sailing yourself. I don't think she will accept your proposition until she sees that you would also be participating in it. I realize that the older we get the more things out there that can hurt us but I could not stop doing what we like just to preserve a time in the future where I would not be able to do them anyways. Another thing I have learned along the way is that our fears and the future seldom materialize themselves the way we think they are. Osteoporosis is real and my wife also has it, she has never gotten hurt in the boat or dock but she broke a leg just out on a simple walk. Just twisted it the wrong way, the ligaments held but the bone didn't. I respect doctors for their medical knowledge but not necessarily for their insights on life.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
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Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Did you know that all doctors are required to take Know-It-All Training course 1004?
And did you also know that none of us is getting out of here alive?
Would you rather expire falling off the porcelain throne, or on the deck of a boat in the glorious Pacific air?
Respect the lady's desire to find her joy and help her do so. As captain you should be able to configure the accommodations and sail plan to make it happen. Get creative.
 
Feb 21, 2008
418
Hunter 33 Metedeconk River
Definitely with the wife. I agree with the kicking and screaming and sliding into home that someone on this site uses as their tagline.
 
May 24, 2004
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CC 30 South Florida
Do old people gain courage or fearlessness? I was hiking in the Smokeys when we came to a log foot bridge on a creek. These bridges are usually made out of a log cut in half, they are about 12" to18" wide and usually wet with a somewhat flimsy bannister on one side just good for balance. This one was a good 20ft in length and sitting 8 to 10 ft above the creek. I had to stop as coming the other way was this lady who looked to be no younger than her late eighties and was walking no faster than she could slide her feet. She had a walking stick in one hand and was not even holding the banister. When she got across she apologized for her slow walk and that we had to wait; " bless her heart". Her husband was already across and they continued on. I then realized she was not walking slow out of caution but that was totally how fast she could walk. To further extend my admiration this bridge was more than 2 1/2 miles from the trailhead and they were moving on.
 
Sep 15, 2009
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S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
it's clear that you love your wife a lot......so love her enough to let her be who she is ......who knows you may be the one to break something and her have to take care of you...with her weak bones...then who you going to cuss......life is for the living not the cautious.......we as men tend to not give them enough credit for knowing their limits......take her and go sailing every chance you two get........ you will never be sorry....
 

Sailm8

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Feb 21, 2008
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Hunter 29.5 Punta Gorda
Does she or will she wear any protective gear like helmet, elbow and knee pads? Maybe a padded life vest too? Can you pad the cockpit or rig a support belt at the helm. I have seen special seats for paralyzed sailors that provide support and protection. Just a thought
 
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Johnb

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Jan 22, 2008
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Hunter 37-cutter Richmond CA
In the SF bay area and delta there are many places to go that are much more protected than the bay itself and they afford the same or more opportunity to enjoy the bird life, beauty, solitude and "being on board" that is boating. If you choose your times and places the drive to and from the boat may be the most hazardous part of the whole activity.
 
Jul 7, 2004
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Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
Get a new boat the ONE PERSON can sail and MANAGE 100% of the time. Or stop.

Having her hurt herself on the boat can be disastrous. As solders know, seriously wounding someone in combat is better than killing them, it takes TWO out of the fight. If you're tending to her you can't sail.
I agree with this. If not an easy, one person monohull, maybe a more stable catamaran would work. Catboats like the Freedom 32 come to mind

The firefght comparison is correct. Modern weapons are made to wound, not kill. It occupies other combatants.
 
Nov 13, 2013
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Catalina 34 Tacoma
I think it's her choice. She's half owner of the boat too right? Your the captain of the vessel and should make the call as to when it's appropriate to sail or motor. Use the jib only with roller furling if you have one. Get one if you don't. Run lines to the cockpit so you can limit her participation to only the cockpit. Add more cushions in the cockpit. Life's a risk, she'll know when it's time to quit.
 
May 12, 2004
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Hunter Cherubini 30 New Port Richey
After a life time of near perfect health and no broken bones, I get out of bed four months ago and could hardly stand, the pain was so bad. An MRI revealed two ruptured lumbar discs with complications and osteoarthritis I didn't know I had. With the help of steroids I am at about 90% but, the condition still persists. Surgery may be in my future. But am I going to let this keep me from sailing? Hell, no! I just have to take it a little easier and plan more carefully. To paraphrase an old saying, "They'll take my boat when they have to pry me out of it kicking and screaming." Make adjustments, modifications, whatever you have to do but, take your wife sailing. As least you're there to help her. Imagine if you were out sailing alone and your wife, who's home alone, maybe, falls and breaks a bone. You're not there. You are out sailing! Then what? Follow her lead. You'll be glad you did. On so many levels.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
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Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
With osteoporosis, staining muscles can break your bones. It really would be best to make the patient a passenger only. But hey, you said you can single-hand, so no problem!
 
Jan 19, 2010
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Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Man you are in a tight spot. I got the pappa bear gene real bad and when it comes to my people I want to protect them any way I can. At the same time I have also said I dont want to fade away in a nursing home and when it is my time I hope they find my empty boat sailing on a broad reach.
 
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May 25, 2015
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Macgregor, Hunter Venture 21, H25 Candlewood
I'll give my perspective.

I have recovered from a spinal injury that was supposed to keep me in a wheel chair, they were wrong.
I sail.
Just spent the last 3 years recovering from 2 different cancer surgeries.
I sail again.

I might die or get seriously injured sailing.
I'll take that over not sailing any day.
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
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1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
After experiencing the heartache of dealing with Dementia/Alzheimer's within my family, I say "damn the torpedoes" and let her enjoy what she loves as long as she is physically able. What's sad is to see a physically healthy person with Dementia, now seeing you as a stranger. You are actually very blessed
 
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