What's the Poop on the scoop strainer

Oct 29, 2016
1,929
Hunter 41 DS Port Huron
Well here is what I found, posted on another site by MS
From Westerbeke / Universal

CAUTION: Do not use a high speed scoop-type
through-hull fitting for the raw water supply for
generators and auxiliary sailboat engines as it will tend to encourage siphoning. Waterpressure against this type of fitting while the vessel is underway with the generator off or when sailing can push water past the raw water pump impeller and into the exhaustsystem, filling it and the engine as well.
 

SG

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Feb 11, 2017
1,670
J/Boat J/160 Annapolis
AC unit raw water supply....
We have found that loss of a prime to the heat exchanger pump is not a function of plumbing in a rough seaway. It happens most often when we are beating into square seas at relative high SOW (say above 9 knots +) and occasionally getting some (as they say in skiing,) "air".

The AC pumps are not positive displacement pumps and eventually we "shake-out" the water between the pump and the raw water strainer. In my opinion, having a scoop facing forward on THAT intake (which is NOT the intake for either the engine or the head intakes) promotes maintaining the prime in the line.

As I said, we don't have scoops on any other raw water intakes. We also have robust and accessible strainers that we can inspect and clean on all but one head intake supply.

In the Chesapeake, nettles are the issue with the generator (and, if we used the main engine for charging while at anchor). In Southern New England (and occasionally, in Northern New England) we have issues with eel grass.

Newport Harbor was our worst case one summer. We kept having to clean the generator strainer while charging the batteries because it would get clogged-up. I have a 2' long heavy-duty plastic wire-tie that I use to route the short hose to the strainer that runs vertically to the sea cock below. We've had "clumps" of it occasionally occlude a generator intake -- that seemed to sucked-up against the hull. I found that turning the main engine on, putting the prop in reverse and forward seemed to clear those. I never had to go diving to clear an intake from eel grass. :^))).

You certainly need to check those strainers though! Our generator is a small 7.6 KW constant rpm Westerbeke. It really can get by with some occlusion to the flow of coolant -- until it CAN'T. The Yanmar at low RPM is more tolerant, but if you try to go at 2,500 RPM or higher, it really likes a clean intake.

The nettles in the Chesapeake are a pain in the Summer from South of the Bay Bridge through mid-July through a bit after Labor Day. Some Summers, they make the Air Conditioning a sometimes thing. I learned to change impellers on the generator relatively well by necessity. We carry about four or five extra generator impellers. We only have one- or two- for the Yanmar main engine. I've never had to change a Yanmar impeller except as routine maintenance. (That's good because the positioning of the water pump was designed for someone that more dexterity with their wrists, fingers, and elbows than I do -- and can tolerate getting their fingers and hands "burned" by a hot engine.)
 
Mar 20, 2004
1,746
Hunter 356 and 216 Portland, ME
If you can remove the hose to your strainer safely, another approach I've used successfully is to remove the hose and quickly stuff it in the horn for your air horn - a couple of short blasts should blow out the obstruction. Shut the seacock and reattach the hose.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
You could use the inflatable pump to force anything out of the hose
and thru hull.
Nick
 

SG

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Feb 11, 2017
1,670
J/Boat J/160 Annapolis
I think Groco makes a back-flush strainer (or used to). It seemed to be more for powere boats and was EXpensive
 
Oct 6, 2007
1,141
Hunter H30 1982 Chicago IL
I have the slotted scoop through hull on the engine intake and I'm glad it's there. Especially on the Chicago River after a heavy rainstorm when all manner of urban detritus is washed into the waterway. I once towed another sailboat on the river while he cleared his unprotected raw water through hull after his engine overheated.

The scoop may be original equipment. I don't know. It's stationary (not hinged) and I did see some old zebra mussels in there before launch the first year I had the boat. I had to clean them out with a knife blade and pull the hose off to confirm all was clear. I haven't seen any in there for several years now, but if I was replacing the scoop, I would go with the hinged type for easier access. Likely the non-directional one with round holes rather than slots that MaineSail recommended.

I added a Groco raw water strainer in the engine compartment a few years ago to catch anything that gets through the slotted scoop. The engine was protected only by the slotted scoop through hull for 25+ years with apparently no ill effect, but I have been surprised by the size of some of the debris that has gotten through the slotted scoop and been stopped by the Groco strainer, so it was definitely a good investment.

From my experience, it's wise to have both - at least in the waters I sail in.
 
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SG

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Feb 11, 2017
1,670
J/Boat J/160 Annapolis
Do the Zebra Mussels grow in the hose to the strainer? I suppose you could devolve their “shells” with a mild acid that you let sit for a while?
 
Oct 6, 2007
1,141
Hunter H30 1982 Chicago IL
Do the Zebra Mussels grow in the hose to the strainer? I suppose you could devolve their “shells” with a mild acid that you let sit for a while?
I never found zebra mussels inside the hoses, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. They seem to take hold in places protected from swift moving water -- like inside the slotted scoop strainer and on the concave aft face of the skeg where it kind of wraps around the front on the rudder -- and especially on boats that are not used for extended periods. I actually haven't found any at all on the boat the last few years. My boat gets used pretty much every weekend, weather permitting.

The year I mentioned cleaning them out of the slotted scoop strainer was the first year I owned the boat. The previous owner had been in failing health for several years and there were periods when it didn't leave the dock much, as well as several years of deferred maintenance, so they had taken hold in the out of easy reach areas. I bought the boat in February (edit: 2006) and was pretty easy to knock the shells off after a winter on the hard. Access was the only inconvenience.

It may be ignorance on my part, but I would be wary of what any acid that can dissolve shells would do to rubber hoses.
 
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