What's more expensive? Boats or Horses. How many of you have a boat and a horse? I just sold my C-30 to save for a few years for a newer, bigger one. Now the admiral has an opportunity to to buy a really great horse for only $500.00. I keep telling her that it will be more expensive than the boat. I think boarding is about $550.00 a month. The value of the horse is about $5,000. The admiral said we can sell it if it gets too expensive. So, when the horse gets really sick and needs a vet, who will buy it? At least when the boat gets sick, you can find a buyer! Plus, I was able to take the boat places. I'm gonna get dizzy watching the admiral and kids riding in cirlces.
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Just ask yourself
Is her happiness any more important than mine? Get her the horse and you'll never regret it. Make momma happy and you'll be happier in the long run. Then you can get yourself a nice boat and you'll both be happy. It's one of those little sacrifices one must make for happiness. Just look at the alternative... Well? Any more questions? Keep it up, Ctskip A good friend of mine has a 35ft sailboat boat in Noank. Richard Moriarty.Small world
Is her happiness any more important than mine? Get her the horse and you'll never regret it. Make momma happy and you'll be happier in the long run. Then you can get yourself a nice boat and you'll both be happy. It's one of those little sacrifices one must make for happiness. Just look at the alternative... Well? Any more questions? Keep it up, Ctskip A good friend of mine has a 35ft sailboat boat in Noank. Richard Moriarty.Small world
get the horse
and keeep the wife and kids happy. That said, why are you able to buy a horse worth $5000 for $500 ? Something does not sound right about this ............
and keeep the wife and kids happy. That said, why are you able to buy a horse worth $5000 for $500 ? Something does not sound right about this ............
Mike, work slowly here...
I bet your vows said "till death due us part." That woman is for you to honor. Honor her and she will reciprocate. Do the horse thing and in a gentile manner express your thoughts about your hopes. I went boatless for a year until my wife said "you need a boat. Buy one I can walk through!" My wife hated the first boat because she is clostrophobic (sp). She went from detesting the boat to planning the next weekend on the boat. If I was late from work, she had everything packed waiting to go. If with kids, work with it. I know a family that all the kids have kayaks. The family sails and kayaks together. Hope things work out. But most of all remember that your word means something. That starts with until death due us part... Make it work. r.w.landau
I bet your vows said "till death due us part." That woman is for you to honor. Honor her and she will reciprocate. Do the horse thing and in a gentile manner express your thoughts about your hopes. I went boatless for a year until my wife said "you need a boat. Buy one I can walk through!" My wife hated the first boat because she is clostrophobic (sp). She went from detesting the boat to planning the next weekend on the boat. If I was late from work, she had everything packed waiting to go. If with kids, work with it. I know a family that all the kids have kayaks. The family sails and kayaks together. Hope things work out. But most of all remember that your word means something. That starts with until death due us part... Make it work. r.w.landau
You are stuck
You have no options here - she msut have the horse and you lose. That is the wayit goes when married. she is probably worth your sacrifice, though. Pets are a pain in the ass for a boater and a horse is 2x that. Hope for a small overnighter for yourself as she will have to stay home to take care of the damn horse.
You have no options here - she msut have the horse and you lose. That is the wayit goes when married. she is probably worth your sacrifice, though. Pets are a pain in the ass for a boater and a horse is 2x that. Hope for a small overnighter for yourself as she will have to stay home to take care of the damn horse.
Got both, $$
The two diseases are very similar. There is always a new blanket, saddle, halter, jacket (GPS, genoa, jacket) to buy. Similarly, the biggest problem w/horses is the vet bills (boat yard). Women become very attached to four legged creatures, while men are always totally objective about their hole in the water. Both need a budget and a pragmatic attitude. If the horse is lame, no one will buy it and then to save your wallet, he/she may need to be put down. That is a question worth asking, or at least raising the spectre up front. Remember, we live in an age where folks will spend $5-10,000 at the drop of a hat for surgery on a pet. That was unheard of 20-30 years ago.
The two diseases are very similar. There is always a new blanket, saddle, halter, jacket (GPS, genoa, jacket) to buy. Similarly, the biggest problem w/horses is the vet bills (boat yard). Women become very attached to four legged creatures, while men are always totally objective about their hole in the water. Both need a budget and a pragmatic attitude. If the horse is lame, no one will buy it and then to save your wallet, he/she may need to be put down. That is a question worth asking, or at least raising the spectre up front. Remember, we live in an age where folks will spend $5-10,000 at the drop of a hat for surgery on a pet. That was unheard of 20-30 years ago.
Oh Mike BTW
You cant sell a horse you almost have to give them away, unless he is registere from a good lineage forget it, even then you would have to show all the training he got for his age to get any value out of him. 4yr old level one? forget it the horse is too far behind etc. Doesn't matter if the horse is the nicest most attentive friend between your legs, no value. Then you have competing horses , jumopers etc, a whole different ball park, and $! a.
You cant sell a horse you almost have to give them away, unless he is registere from a good lineage forget it, even then you would have to show all the training he got for his age to get any value out of him. 4yr old level one? forget it the horse is too far behind etc. Doesn't matter if the horse is the nicest most attentive friend between your legs, no value. Then you have competing horses , jumopers etc, a whole different ball park, and $! a.
I know the feeling!
We have both a boat and a horse. It really sucks when you want to go away for a few days and you can't find anyone to take care of the horse. Fortunately, my wife has a lot of friends that also have horses. This helps with getting out on the boat because they all take turns helping each other out when someone goes away. My suggestion is to let her have her horse, get her into horse training seminars or shows, so she meets other "horse people", and start saving for your boat. Horses aren't that expensive. It's all the stuff that is "Needed" to go with them. We bought the horse for $1600, first it was the $3000 barn then it was the $7000 trailer, then the $1500 sadle etc... . It's the same as the stuff that we "Need" for the boat, but in her own way I go out on my Hunter 30 alone or with friends more than I go out on it with my wife. It doesn't bother me that much, but I wish that she would like to go sailing more than riding the horse. By the way, she's lining up a breeder for next year. It isn't going to get any better for me.
We have both a boat and a horse. It really sucks when you want to go away for a few days and you can't find anyone to take care of the horse. Fortunately, my wife has a lot of friends that also have horses. This helps with getting out on the boat because they all take turns helping each other out when someone goes away. My suggestion is to let her have her horse, get her into horse training seminars or shows, so she meets other "horse people", and start saving for your boat. Horses aren't that expensive. It's all the stuff that is "Needed" to go with them. We bought the horse for $1600, first it was the $3000 barn then it was the $7000 trailer, then the $1500 sadle etc... . It's the same as the stuff that we "Need" for the boat, but in her own way I go out on my Hunter 30 alone or with friends more than I go out on it with my wife. It doesn't bother me that much, but I wish that she would like to go sailing more than riding the horse. By the way, she's lining up a breeder for next year. It isn't going to get any better for me.
Lyle Lovett says "You can have both!"
If I had a boat I'd go out on the ocean And if I had a pony I'd ride him on my boat And we could all together Go out on the ocean Me upon my pony on my boat If I were Roy Rogers I'd sure enough be single I couldn't bring myself to marrying old Dale It'd just be me and trigger We'd go riding through them movies Then we'd buy a boat and on the sea we'd sail And if I had a boat I'd go out on the ocean And if I had a pony I'd ride him on my boat And we could all together Go out on the ocean Me upon my pony on my boat The mystery masked man was smart He got himself a Tonto 'Cause Tonto did the dirty work for free But Tonto he was smarter And one day said kemo sabe Kiss my ass I bought a boat I'm going out to sea And if I had a boat I'd go out on the ocean And if I had a pony I'd ride him on my boat And we could all together Go out on the ocean Me upon my pony on my boat And if I were like lightning I wouldn't need no sneakers I'd come and go wherever I would please And I'd scare 'em by the shade tree And I'd scare 'em by the light pole But I would not scare my pony on my boat out on the sea And if I had a boat I'd go out on the ocean And if I had a pony I'd ride him on my boat And we could all together Go out on the ocean Me upon my pony on my boat
If I had a boat I'd go out on the ocean And if I had a pony I'd ride him on my boat And we could all together Go out on the ocean Me upon my pony on my boat If I were Roy Rogers I'd sure enough be single I couldn't bring myself to marrying old Dale It'd just be me and trigger We'd go riding through them movies Then we'd buy a boat and on the sea we'd sail And if I had a boat I'd go out on the ocean And if I had a pony I'd ride him on my boat And we could all together Go out on the ocean Me upon my pony on my boat The mystery masked man was smart He got himself a Tonto 'Cause Tonto did the dirty work for free But Tonto he was smarter And one day said kemo sabe Kiss my ass I bought a boat I'm going out to sea And if I had a boat I'd go out on the ocean And if I had a pony I'd ride him on my boat And we could all together Go out on the ocean Me upon my pony on my boat And if I were like lightning I wouldn't need no sneakers I'd come and go wherever I would please And I'd scare 'em by the shade tree And I'd scare 'em by the light pole But I would not scare my pony on my boat out on the sea And if I had a boat I'd go out on the ocean And if I had a pony I'd ride him on my boat And we could all together Go out on the ocean Me upon my pony on my boat
Hi Makin'time
I agree with you, when someone gets the bug for a horse it is hard to resist, you made me think: Yes, go to fairs, horse show, go to the local boarding farm and walk around you both might realise the amount of work involved. You do not necessarelly 'need' to have your own horse either if you just want to go riding on occasion. If you both agree to go ahead, get a decent animal well behaved, healty and strong, I always had a thing for The Canadian horse. There is no point in getting a registered animal but do get information about the parents. Definitely have a vet check the animal thouroughly. A ride on the trails on an english saddle in the fall when you are in comunion with your horse after working him all summer is as rewarding as the perfect day with the boat in the groove, sometime, maybe, better. But if you think the perect sail is a rare thing the perfect ride is even more and in between train train train! Labour of love! Regarding the things one 'needs' you might need an autopilot but it can wait till next year, the horse might need a vet and that is *now*, the difference is you are respopnsible for a living creature, it is a different ball park than a chunk of fiber glass, you canot just "put it away" for a while.. Also with a horse if he is not learning he is going backward, and you have to start over again. A bit off topic but my dream situation would have been: A farm with access to a body of water large enough to sail, a day sailor + 2 horses of my own. with no outside job. I calculated after the farm being paid I needed min 12 boarders @ $550.00/m Or 20 boarders and a hired hand for the work...to live that lifestyle. Out of reach... For now. Cheers, a.
I agree with you, when someone gets the bug for a horse it is hard to resist, you made me think: Yes, go to fairs, horse show, go to the local boarding farm and walk around you both might realise the amount of work involved. You do not necessarelly 'need' to have your own horse either if you just want to go riding on occasion. If you both agree to go ahead, get a decent animal well behaved, healty and strong, I always had a thing for The Canadian horse. There is no point in getting a registered animal but do get information about the parents. Definitely have a vet check the animal thouroughly. A ride on the trails on an english saddle in the fall when you are in comunion with your horse after working him all summer is as rewarding as the perfect day with the boat in the groove, sometime, maybe, better. But if you think the perect sail is a rare thing the perfect ride is even more and in between train train train! Labour of love! Regarding the things one 'needs' you might need an autopilot but it can wait till next year, the horse might need a vet and that is *now*, the difference is you are respopnsible for a living creature, it is a different ball park than a chunk of fiber glass, you canot just "put it away" for a while.. Also with a horse if he is not learning he is going backward, and you have to start over again. A bit off topic but my dream situation would have been: A farm with access to a body of water large enough to sail, a day sailor + 2 horses of my own. with no outside job. I calculated after the farm being paid I needed min 12 boarders @ $550.00/m Or 20 boarders and a hired hand for the work...to live that lifestyle. Out of reach... For now. Cheers, a.
Hi Gary
Hi Gary, Nice horse what bread is he? Seems like a very nice spot for riding, is the farm/stable on/near the shore or does your wife go bare back riding? You are right they competing passions. a.
Hi Gary, Nice horse what bread is he? Seems like a very nice spot for riding, is the farm/stable on/near the shore or does your wife go bare back riding? You are right they competing passions. a.
Try Owning a Boat and an Airplane
Guess I have a real understanding wife, her passion is the garden that itn't cheap either but we have fun together. If Mama aint happy... Suck it up buy the horse and start looking for a Sunfish.
Guess I have a real understanding wife, her passion is the garden that itn't cheap either but we have fun together. If Mama aint happy... Suck it up buy the horse and start looking for a Sunfish.
Alain
Tobias is an Appendix Quarterhorse which is a 50/50 mix of thoroughbred and quarterhorse. I think of him as a juiced up quarterhorse. He's a really great horse. The picture was taken at Long Beach, WA where we'd rented a house on the beach with stable for a few days with some friends. They were just out for a walk that day, but Catherine rides him with an English saddle usually. Long Beach is a great place to ride, cantering in the sand and splashing through the water. Still not as good as sailing though.(I'd probably get some argument about that from you know who.) Gary Wyngarden S/V Wanderlust h37.5
Tobias is an Appendix Quarterhorse which is a 50/50 mix of thoroughbred and quarterhorse. I think of him as a juiced up quarterhorse. He's a really great horse. The picture was taken at Long Beach, WA where we'd rented a house on the beach with stable for a few days with some friends. They were just out for a walk that day, but Catherine rides him with an English saddle usually. Long Beach is a great place to ride, cantering in the sand and splashing through the water. Still not as good as sailing though.(I'd probably get some argument about that from you know who.) Gary Wyngarden S/V Wanderlust h37.5
We HAD horses. That's past tense.
We had several but never totaled over three at a time. My wife decided to sell the two healthy horses and we gave away the lame mare. We learned a lot. Everything posted below about relationships and commitment are without error! I can't think of much to add. We built a great barn with three stalls. We fenced off half of our 5 acres for them. We bought a 4x4 diesel tractor for the project. We built our home for the project. We bought a very expensive/quality camper for the project and more than one horse trailer. Ouch. The expenses, depending how you categorize with your software, can approach a half MILLION dollars in ten years. Ours has. The horses cost about $2,000.00. The purchase price of a horse is a non factor unless it's a 'special' model.
We didn't have boarding expenses because they lived on our land. That is more expensive (in total) than boarding. And you lose your FREEDOM. A horse isn't freedom like a sailboat. You can't just cast off. They have to be fed at least twice a day if you don't have pasture. That means you MUST be there. The reason is that you can't just leave a couple of dozen bales of hay out for them. They will never stop eating until they're DEAD. Not good. For a sailor like me, that's tough. And horses are not pets. They are livestock. And they are not intelligent. Some people don't like to think of them that way but horses have pea brains. They evolved eating grass. And they're a herd animal. That means if you only have ONE HORSE on your property you are committing an ACT OF CRUELTY! They must have a companion. And their worst feature, the one that leads to many injuries of their rider, is that their first instinct when confronted with a threat, real or imagined, is to flee. If you're aboard, it could be a problem. We had one horse that was such an idiot that she threw me on a trail-training ride and I still don't know what happened. I was found by my instructor a few minutes later. The horse was nearby. I was laying in the middle of the trail with a BIG rock stuck in the side of my HELMET. He figures I was unconscious for at least ten minutes. I have no recollection. And I would have been dead without the helmet! Always wear a helmet. Another time I was holding that horse by her lead, using the proper lose-finger grip under her mouth. An imaginary scary object went through her pea-brain and she flinched her head up. We were standing in a safe indoor arena. The MRI revealed a torn rotator cuff. It's almost healed. That was six years ago. Another time, that horse saw a human walking toward her on a trail. Unfortunately my wife was on her. She was instantly flung high above the horse and landed flat on her back. Little damage. Another time our instructor who has at least 20 'rescue horses' and bragged about not falling from a horse in 30 years, was riding her in that same arena. Yep, she freaked. He fell off. I finally convinced my wife that that horse was dangerous. She traded. But she still loves that damn idiot creature and we have several framed pictures of her. Now I'll skip all of the unintentional near disasters while on the good-safe horses. No horse is safe. Statistically, THE most dangerous sport in America is 'horses'! After she sold the horses I thought that meant more sailing freedom. Nope. The dogs have taken their place. Dogs and sailboats (under sail) don't work with critters like our pups. And my wife is 'nesting'. You should see all the plants she has. And they all have to be watered. Tough to get out on the boat. I do what I can. But a room-mate is the only answer. Of course, now she's talking about getting horses again. Well, we still have all of the tack and the trailer and camper with a new Duramax,,,,,,
We had several but never totaled over three at a time. My wife decided to sell the two healthy horses and we gave away the lame mare. We learned a lot. Everything posted below about relationships and commitment are without error! I can't think of much to add. We built a great barn with three stalls. We fenced off half of our 5 acres for them. We bought a 4x4 diesel tractor for the project. We built our home for the project. We bought a very expensive/quality camper for the project and more than one horse trailer. Ouch. The expenses, depending how you categorize with your software, can approach a half MILLION dollars in ten years. Ours has. The horses cost about $2,000.00. The purchase price of a horse is a non factor unless it's a 'special' model.
We didn't have boarding expenses because they lived on our land. That is more expensive (in total) than boarding. And you lose your FREEDOM. A horse isn't freedom like a sailboat. You can't just cast off. They have to be fed at least twice a day if you don't have pasture. That means you MUST be there. The reason is that you can't just leave a couple of dozen bales of hay out for them. They will never stop eating until they're DEAD. Not good. For a sailor like me, that's tough. And horses are not pets. They are livestock. And they are not intelligent. Some people don't like to think of them that way but horses have pea brains. They evolved eating grass. And they're a herd animal. That means if you only have ONE HORSE on your property you are committing an ACT OF CRUELTY! They must have a companion. And their worst feature, the one that leads to many injuries of their rider, is that their first instinct when confronted with a threat, real or imagined, is to flee. If you're aboard, it could be a problem. We had one horse that was such an idiot that she threw me on a trail-training ride and I still don't know what happened. I was found by my instructor a few minutes later. The horse was nearby. I was laying in the middle of the trail with a BIG rock stuck in the side of my HELMET. He figures I was unconscious for at least ten minutes. I have no recollection. And I would have been dead without the helmet! Always wear a helmet. Another time I was holding that horse by her lead, using the proper lose-finger grip under her mouth. An imaginary scary object went through her pea-brain and she flinched her head up. We were standing in a safe indoor arena. The MRI revealed a torn rotator cuff. It's almost healed. That was six years ago. Another time, that horse saw a human walking toward her on a trail. Unfortunately my wife was on her. She was instantly flung high above the horse and landed flat on her back. Little damage. Another time our instructor who has at least 20 'rescue horses' and bragged about not falling from a horse in 30 years, was riding her in that same arena. Yep, she freaked. He fell off. I finally convinced my wife that that horse was dangerous. She traded. But she still loves that damn idiot creature and we have several framed pictures of her. Now I'll skip all of the unintentional near disasters while on the good-safe horses. No horse is safe. Statistically, THE most dangerous sport in America is 'horses'! After she sold the horses I thought that meant more sailing freedom. Nope. The dogs have taken their place. Dogs and sailboats (under sail) don't work with critters like our pups. And my wife is 'nesting'. You should see all the plants she has. And they all have to be watered. Tough to get out on the boat. I do what I can. But a room-mate is the only answer. Of course, now she's talking about getting horses again. Well, we still have all of the tack and the trailer and camper with a new Duramax,,,,,,Hi Fred
Hi Fred, I think your post is funny, in a good way, what advantures! I have to disagree with the horse are idiots. In a previous post I mentionned that horses are difficult to sell (in general) referring to the training they must have etc. You are right a horse is a heard animal and the instinct is to run away, also it is an act of cruelty to leave a horse as a grass ornament. You can ruin a horse for life in its first few years, it is very difficult do 'undo' bad comportment in a horse. At the same time a horse will give you his full confidence if you earn his respect, you must be the 'Alpha' in the relationship. I think they are quite intelligent they are just in sonme way quite opposite to what we consider natural ex. we are curious and agressive by nature tey are the opposite so the reaction we instictively expect from our horse is often wrong! When I use the words, respect, alpha, obedience I in no way refer to intimidation of the cowboy way, we have a lot to be forgiven for what we did , and still do, to these beautiful animals. I believe in a Monty Roberts approch. http://www.montyroberts.com/ Finally you are right, horses are not freedom like a boat relationship; with horses is more of a love affair. cheers, a.
Hi Fred, I think your post is funny, in a good way, what advantures! I have to disagree with the horse are idiots. In a previous post I mentionned that horses are difficult to sell (in general) referring to the training they must have etc. You are right a horse is a heard animal and the instinct is to run away, also it is an act of cruelty to leave a horse as a grass ornament. You can ruin a horse for life in its first few years, it is very difficult do 'undo' bad comportment in a horse. At the same time a horse will give you his full confidence if you earn his respect, you must be the 'Alpha' in the relationship. I think they are quite intelligent they are just in sonme way quite opposite to what we consider natural ex. we are curious and agressive by nature tey are the opposite so the reaction we instictively expect from our horse is often wrong! When I use the words, respect, alpha, obedience I in no way refer to intimidation of the cowboy way, we have a lot to be forgiven for what we did , and still do, to these beautiful animals. I believe in a Monty Roberts approch. http://www.montyroberts.com/ Finally you are right, horses are not freedom like a boat relationship; with horses is more of a love affair. cheers, a.
just to add a bit more...
monty's way: ..."Monty first developed Join-Up® to stop the cycle of violence typically accepted in traditional horse breaking. Convinced there must be a more effective and gentle method, Monty created these consistent set of principles using the horse’s inherent methods of communication and herd behavior. The result is a willing partnership in which the horse’s performance can flourish to its full potential, rather than exist within the boundaries of obedience. These principles are valuable tools to understanding what motivates horse behavior and increasing effectiveness in any application. Join-Up training methods are most simply expressed in the process of starting raw horses. Without the use of pain or force the trainer persuades a raw horse to accept a saddle, bridle and rider. Working in a round pen, one begins Join-Up® by making large movements and noise as a predator would and begins driving the horse to run away. She then gives the horse the option to flee or Join-Up®. Through body language, the trainer will ask, "Will you pay me the respect due to a herd leader and join and follow me?" The horse will respond with predictable herd behavior: by locking an ear on her, then by licking and chewing and dropping his head in a display of trust. The exchange concludes with the trainer adopting passive body language, turning her back on the horse and without eye contact, invites him to come close. Join-Up occurs when the animal willingly chooses to be with the human and walks toward her accepting her leadership and protection. This process of communication through behavior and body language and mutual concern and respect, can be a valuable tool to strengthen all other work with horses." sorry don't mean to get long here... a.
monty's way: ..."Monty first developed Join-Up® to stop the cycle of violence typically accepted in traditional horse breaking. Convinced there must be a more effective and gentle method, Monty created these consistent set of principles using the horse’s inherent methods of communication and herd behavior. The result is a willing partnership in which the horse’s performance can flourish to its full potential, rather than exist within the boundaries of obedience. These principles are valuable tools to understanding what motivates horse behavior and increasing effectiveness in any application. Join-Up training methods are most simply expressed in the process of starting raw horses. Without the use of pain or force the trainer persuades a raw horse to accept a saddle, bridle and rider. Working in a round pen, one begins Join-Up® by making large movements and noise as a predator would and begins driving the horse to run away. She then gives the horse the option to flee or Join-Up®. Through body language, the trainer will ask, "Will you pay me the respect due to a herd leader and join and follow me?" The horse will respond with predictable herd behavior: by locking an ear on her, then by licking and chewing and dropping his head in a display of trust. The exchange concludes with the trainer adopting passive body language, turning her back on the horse and without eye contact, invites him to come close. Join-Up occurs when the animal willingly chooses to be with the human and walks toward her accepting her leadership and protection. This process of communication through behavior and body language and mutual concern and respect, can be a valuable tool to strengthen all other work with horses." sorry don't mean to get long here... a.
It's OK to get long. No one here is forced to read
Do you have Dish Network? The shows at the very high channel numbers are amazing. There have been several 'horse whisperers'. Most are also selling seminars. Big money in that. My instructor teaches the Spanish method of riding. He DOES NOT teach training. That is a secret society.
Do you have Dish Network? The shows at the very high channel numbers are amazing. There have been several 'horse whisperers'. Most are also selling seminars. Big money in that. My instructor teaches the Spanish method of riding. He DOES NOT teach training. That is a secret society.
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