What works for me / What works for you ??

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Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Fortunately, for my own sanity, I don't worship one marine author or another and read most all. After many, many years on the water I've been lucky enough to find what works for me and I think this is the most important. I've done it both ways, old school and new, and everywhere in between.. From ages 6 through 12 I sailed extensively to places far and wide. Most of this time was spent in old boats with either no or very little electrical systems and usually no propulsion. We navigated the old fashioned way and used old brass oil lamps as running lights. The decks always leaked and the boat always smelled musty despite exquisite care as they were mostly wood canvas. I grew to both enjoy this simplicity and to hate it too. Fiberglass was a blessing for me..! Fast forward: From ages 12 to 26 I sailed & raced on tons different sail boats on deliveries, in races and working as crew. I also worked on many different power boats also as either first mate or crew. Many were "fancy" for their day but certainly not by todays standards. For some strange reason I am always the default mechanical or person folks turn to when systems or equipment fail so I have a fair amount of experience in this department as well. This has actually been a benefit because it has taught me what will work for me on my own boats and what I won't tolerate. What I've adopted, learned and put into practice: I like pressure water but I back it up with manual pumps. I like GPS/Plotters but always carry two spares and back these up with real charts, compass and DR and if going off shore I'll dust off the sextant. I like solar panels and simple battery systems with a battery monitor such as a Link 10. I do not like gen sets of any kind, nor find the need, including the small Honda's. I like roller furling and prefer a main sail with a minimum of three reef points. I like a decent amount of chain on my anchoring system and keep two complete rode sets, beyond my primary, on board. I don't like electric windlasses. I've fixed far to many thus I now use a manual windlass when and if I ever need it. I like to have a stereo on board and use an iPod to supply music to it. Properly installed car stereos have worked very well for me and I've never had one fail. I use radar and prefer a mast mount for performance. Unfortunately, I have a stern pole on this boat that I will be converting eventually to a mast mount. I find racing and cruising techniques do work & blend together well. I prefer a dry bilge. I carry many spares. I use a radar reflector. I don't like metal winch handles and prefer the Titan plastic floating handles. I don't like 5200 or Silicone and use them very, very carefully and only when 100% needed. I don't like exterior teak, and believe a boat can look good without it. I'm far to anal to let it go gray so the maintenance precludes me from having exterior teak.. I like Tef-Gel, Lanocote, McLube, Boeshield & P.B. Blaster & feel WD-40 is the most overrated product ever produced. I have davits and like them but NOT in rough weather! They are not however a necessity for me just a luxury. I like tinned marine grade wire and adhesive lined heat shrink and use it. I like fuses. I never leave the dock without my tools. I never leave the dock without my multi-meter. I don't like fancy alternator/regulator systems (had two fail) and prefer a standard large alternator of the maximum size for my belt. I carry a spare regulator & brushes. I prefer proper sea cocks and AWAB or better hose clamps doubled up. I like depth sounders but have no use for a speed log. I like my wind instrument but can do without. I like my macerator but if going cruising it would be converted to a hand operated pump for reliability. I like three blade props (reliable) and will never buy a fancy mechanical prop again. As I only race on OPB's.. I like good ventilation and opening ports. I like ST winches and rope clutches but would not go out of my way to convert. I like Gore Stuffing Box Packing & dripless shaft seals. I don't like computers for navigation and use one for my photography only. Been there, tried it, went back to a plotter. I like helm mounted data something as is alway seems to be blocking it on the bulkhead. I like nav-pods to keep my instruments dry. I like a forward facing nav station. I like at least one proper sea berth. I like properly placed hand holds below decks. I like cockpit cushions but they are not a necessity I like dodgers (won't sail without one) & bimini's (don't want cancer) but they come off in really bad, green water, weather. I like to eat so a stove/oven is a necessity I like to BBQ but have yet to find a good one so we currently don't use one. Could care less really. I like coffee. Been using Folgers but this is still not the answer!! I like having a real mattress pad and sheets & custom made a set from a king to fit our berth. I enjoy hot water but it's not a 100% necessity for me. I HATE showering in the head (mold) and instead have a cockpit mounted wand.. I like redundant bilge pumps, two electric with one spare and one Whale manual type. I prefer a keel stepped mast. I replace standing rigging every ten to twelve regardless. I like the safety & stability of inflatable dinghy's and a small 2 stroke. I don't like four strokes (been there done that sold it). I have an epirb & hope to never use it. I like a good fixed mount VHF but also carry spare hand held units that accept standard batteries. I carry a ditch bag and a waterproof case with spare GPS, VHF, Strobes and a large supply of Lithium AA batteries to power everything in the case in event we need them. I use a manual flush toilet but carry spares. I carry extra swage-less fittings and lots of rigging spares. I carry spare hoses, clamps, electrical connections, wire, nuts, bolts, screws, washers, fuses, breakers, o-rings, sail repair supplies on and on and on... All in all I consider my preferred luxuries are really pressure water, GPS/Plotter, Radar and a Stereo (so frivolous I know).. Please keep in mind the above description is what works for ME and what I've learned personally from my own experiences. This may not suit YOU and I would not expect it to! Unfortunately, I find the levels of hero worshiping amongst some members of the sailing community kind of disconcerting and alarming? Some worship the likes of Lin and Larry or Casey or the Starzinger/Leonard's but I truly feel that this your boat is more of personal issue and one that should be GUIDED by books they read not brainwashed or indoctrinated as sadly some I've met appear to be. I'm in NO WAY pointing fingers at ANYONE on this forum at all and I include many forums from CS-BB, Cruisers Forums, SSCA, Sailnet, SA & real life encounters when I talk about hero worshiping not just SBO. Sadly, many of these authors, and I've read most, speak for what works for them but don't actively stress that. Unfortunately, a small select few authors come across as this is the only way things should be done and that is a bad, in my opinion, guide for any sailor to learn from. If you've been around boats a while then you know there are literally 100's of ways to skin the same cat and meet the same end result. People do it differently every single day..!! just read this forum and that becomes very clear.. Read as much as you can, but try to be you and not worship, and be sure to know what works for YOU not necessarily some author. When I say author that includes MY list of what works for ME above! If you find something in my list or an authors book that's useful to YOU then adopt it, I have, but don't do as some do and blindly accept a printed authors word for it, at 100% face value, just because it was in a "book"... To be perfectly honest I have learned more on sailing forums and found far better answers to questions than I have in my very large library of marine related books. Soooo?? What works for you and what does not???? Where do you get most of your answers from these days books or the net??
 
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Bob V

Good post, Mainsail

I can see you believe in being prepared. As a former boy scout I certainly agree. Is it safe to assume that when you say you like roller furling you are referring to your headsail only? If so what type of system do you use to handle the manisail (Dutchman, Lazyjacks?) Also, I think it is possible to use an interior shower if it is in a well-ventilated and heated head. Also the shower should be in a seperate enclosure with a door not a curtain. If that is the case and you dry off the walls and floor with your towel after you use it you can avoid the mold. Thank you for not using a generator. They are becoming way too popular since Honda has tought us that you can go cheap if you don't mind loud. Bob V
 
Jun 8, 2004
853
Pearson 26W Marblehead
Question for Mainsail

Just what is it you dont like about 5200 and 4 stroke outboards
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,689
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Each to his/her own

As everything in life, I think most of us make up our own rules. In my case, showering in the head is no different than showering in our home's bathroom - mold can be a problem regardless of where it's found and precluding it's growth is easily done in either place. I'd no more take a shower in the cockpit than in my back yard. The gas genset debate is just another ex of personal preference - they are less loud than any diesel engine running at fast idle to recharge the batteries, don't glaze cylinder walls and are no more dangerous than you allow them to be. So, each to his own except Nigel Calder who's books are oftehn considered the boating equivalent of the "bible".
 
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Don, regarding generators

I was just reading a post over on SSCA aboout tv's on board. One person mentioned that he liked to watch the news just before he turned in for the night and he ran his generator at the same time. I guess if he turned up the volume on the tv enough he would not even be able to hear the generator. Headphones might be even better. It remindede me of a time (decades ago) when I was a kayak camper sitting a a beach in Ewing Cove on Sucia Is. There were about six of us on the beach sitting around a campfire and a young couple anchored nearby on their small sailboat sitting in the cockpit enjoying the fading light of the day and the sounds of the natural world around us. Just before it was completely dark, a power cruiser fired up their generator which they placed up on deck and then went below to watch tv as we could tell by the blue flickering light. It was their loss that they were oblivious to the beauty around them, but it was everyone else's loss when the sound of their generator overwhelmed all of the natural sounds (and silence) that their neighbors were previously enjoying. The conversation quickly turned to revenge fantasies and grumbling and of course the mood of everyone in the anchorage (except for the couple watching tv) had deteriorated. There are other ways to provide the needed electricity which are far more considerate to your neighbors. Big batteries, solar and wind chargers, conservation, etc. If you have the priviledge of spending time anchored in beautiful remote places where you are sharing the anchorage with others it is extremely rude to think that your tv or blender or whatever gives you the right to pollute the anchorage with loud noise. That would include loud stereos even if they are not powered by generators. Bob V
 

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
If there is any doubt about "to each his own" a ride

through a large marina with about a thousand sailboats will convince anyone that each designer has a better idea than all of the others. There are more shapes and configurations than one person can imagine. As to interior comforts it will range from simple and spartan to all of the bells and whistles.
 
Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
What works for me...

... is Captain Morgan Spiced Rum. I never leave home (port) without it. For medicinal purposes only, and only when at anchor.... FYI, as an interesting aside in regard to Nigel Calder, does anyone here remember when he was commissioning his then new Crealock? He wrote some articles about how you could commission your own new boat. He set about installing a wide array of instruments and electronic gear -- that he appeared to get free from the manufacturers because of who he is. He finally gets done, and hits start on the battery panel. Zzzzzzzzzzzzst! He fried everything by installing it incorrectly. So what does he then do? He asks for, and gets, new stuff from the manufacturers that they install correctly. Just like it would be for us if we tried to do what he did. Right? Bottom line: Be careful of "expert" advice. Measure twice, cut once.
 
Nov 12, 2006
256
Catalina 36 Bainbridge Island
What Works

I do not have the extensive life long sailing experience that Maine Sail has. I have only been sailing since 1984. Currently I am about to turn 65. My first two boats were trailerable, as we lived in Idaho. My last boat has been a C36. Bought new in 1993. Here is what works, and what doesn't for me. I don't have an ipod, never will. Even though my 'car stereo' has a connection for one. I put my music on CD's in MP3 format. I don't like roller furling, but I use it on the genoa because the sails are just too big to be handled by one person. I will never have a roller furling main. I have sailed with one (not on my boat). I shower inside, dry the area, and have no mold. I prefer a nav program on a computer. I use paper charts. I have a small GPS/Plotter. I use all three when traveling. The charts are expensive for the GPS/Plotter. I like a keel stepped mast. I keep my bilge dry. I prefer a traditional layout. I would rather have my instruments over the companionway, mine are in a navpod at the helm. 3 instruments, tridata (speed, depth), wind, auto pilot. My radar is on a Questus back stay pole. I would never have davits, they are ugly, and make the boat ugly. I am not going anywhere that a sextant would do me any good. I have learned to use one. I love my electric windlass, but I can manage without. I love exterior teak, on other boats. My C36 has stainless hand rails. I love coffee, I grind beans each morning, and use a percolator coffee pot. I have used one on the boat since I began sailing. I make good coffee. Maine Sail has a sense of what is right in a boat, and I like his approach to questions/problems posted on this forum.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,689
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
BobV

Not sure what the point of this thread was but don't want to hijack it. Suffice it to say my engine produces a sound level far greater than the genset, both in and around the boat. Already have the large bank of batteries, can't find a solar array practical to install which produces 75- 100 amps/day and a big fan on a windless day is just ballast. More fundamantally, common courtesy and generator operation are not necessarily mutually exclusive things. As others have pointed out, it is a generally accepted practice for eveeryones' gensets to run around the same time each day mid-morning to early p.m. so as to not distrub the environmental sensitivities.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Mick...

I loved this one... "I love exterior teak, on other boats. My C36 has stainless hand rails." Me too and I get to see lot's of it. on OPB's, up here in Maine. Plus I have plenty to look at on my own boat but it's in the cabin....
 
Mar 28, 2007
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Oday 23 Anna Maria Isl.
I love it all

From a teenager "cruising" on a faded, duct taped Hobie with a backpack of pj sandwiches all the way up to a big blingin beyond belief 60 foot marble palace sloop. I enjoy seeing people get under way with whats at hand at the moment. This approach will hasten each to become their own expert. With more miles sailed, picking the right equipment becomes easy. Because we all admire the beauty of sail, we are more similar than different. Thanks to Main for your excellent how-to posts, I really appreciate the effort that goes into them.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
We have...

We have a percolator and like the taste but it's a PITA to clean on the boat and that's my wifes dept so I don't argue. When I'm solo though I do use the perc.. We've ordered pre-made espresso shots on line and they are not bad either. I'll try Yuban..
 
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Sorry Don

You are probably right when you say that this is not the thread to debate the ethics of genset use. What works for me is 260W of solar panels mounted over the bimini, (3) 4D batteries and a laptop computer for watching movies. I carry a pair of Optima Deep cycles tp run my electric dinghy motor and if I need more tv time I can row to shore and plug the dinghy batteries into the inverter. Almost forgot the Optima starting battery. I added a large alternator and voltage regulator and charge regulator on my last boat so that the engine recharge rate would be greatly improved over the stock configuration. I never charge batteries at anchor by running the engine but rather go for a "motorboat ride" in the morning if I need to add juice. Now on the more serious topic of coffee which is not a luxury but a nessecity. I carry whole beans in the freezer and grind a small amount at a time to ensure freshness. My little bean grinder does not use much electricy but I guess you could also go "old-school" and use a mortar and pestle. I boil water on the propane stove and pour through a filter funnel directly into an insulated carafe. My coffee cup is a heavy white cup that is not plastic. Drinking coffee is a treat for all of the senses and the sense of touch should not be ignored. I drink whiskey and rum out of a real glass because it is not proper to use plastic for that purpose but I will eat of of plastic plates or even paper if underway. Now on to livestock management. I travel with two head of dog and they are both large. I use rubber-back throw rugs everywhere including the floor of the hard-shell dinghy. I tell the dogs that it is to improve their traction and comfort but it is all about protecting the boat and easy clean up. I carry a solar shower bag in the dinghy to clean off dog feet at the dock or beach. That way we arrive back at the boat clean-footed. If that is not possible the Admiral waits at the transom to clean off one dog at a time. I also carry a couple of dozen old towels to dry dogs and clean up messes separate from "people towels" which are few. I like hydronic heaters with intake from exterior air in addition to recycling cabin air. I use a Rocna for my primary anchor and a Fortress for my spare. I also carry 600 ft of 3-strand poly line on a reel for stern tie or rescue in emergencies. Lots of spare line and lots of small stuff. Bob V
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Wow..

Quote: "I use a Rocna for my primary anchor and a Fortress for my spare" I run a similar set up Rocna primary but Spade secondary and my Fortress is my Stern but could really be used for anything.
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,953
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
The point is ...

it's winter, the boat is buried in 3 metres of snow and the bay is a solid ice cube and we're getting stir crazy sitting at the computer to get our sailing fix. *bzz I like my main roller furling.... it's easy to set and quickly reef the main and I can still go fast enough ( 7.8 GPS) I make coffee in a drip cone filter. I sleep very well with a Rocna anchor 50' of chain and 250' of rode.... 25 nights and counting. I like my beer in cans.... both imported and CDN.... ice cold and no glass. I drink wine from a tetra pac.... again acceptable taste and no glass. I wouldn't leave the dock in our area without GPS / chartplotter.... way too many boat-biting-rocks and it has allowed me to "go where no man has gone before" .... well almost, but it got us into a bay with only two other sailboats and a handfull of small cabins on the surrounding islands... see my avatar. I use a BBQ 99.9% every meal.... nothing beats a steak dinner on a summers evening as the sun sets. The TV/DVD is a novelty to have on board, but we did watch a movie out in the middle of nowhere on a crappy night, although it did feel odd doing so. ( I grew up camping and wilderness canoeing and the outdoors is by far the best entertainment going ) I "shower" in the lake most mornings... one of the advantages in cruising in fresh water oceans. I like my boat clean, but not spotless, my down time is way too limited. I like our RIB with a 15 hp 2-stroke that goes fast. I like to research everything to the nth degree before proceeding... both on forums, the internet and books, but I'm nowhere near as fanatical as MaineSail. MaineSail is the Guru of anchoring and waxing your boat.... you really should publish some day. I don't have a genset and probably never will. The motor is quiet and gens are just plain rude. *butt
 

Ray

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Mar 10, 2006
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Hunter 26 Kettle Falls Wa.
I loved leaving the job, selling everything and buying....

the boat. We took her as she was and left for the most fantastic 2 1/2 years of our life. We did it while we still could. The rest doesn't matter. Ray P.S. Maine Sail, well said. Try chewing the bean.
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Great Minds

Mainsail, Great minds do think alike, and I am in agreement with most of your beliefs. I guess that you are nearly, but not quite, as anal as I am.
 
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