My wife and I have found a boat that we both like and would like to make a offer on. We're not sure of what to offer without insulting the seller. Here is a basic discription of the boat and his asking price. 1982 Catalina 30 asking $29,500.00 Fadar radar/GPS, new elect. windlass/anchor, new dodger bimini, full cockpit enclosure. Custom drapes, upholstery & portable refrig. 3 burner stove and oven, std vhf, mag compass, signet depth, speed log/wind. Color TV, bose sound system, heater. Stainless steel rigging, new running rigging. Main sail & roller head sail, 4 other bags of sails and spinaker. Lewman and Gibb winches. All wood newly refinished. Universal Dielsel (11 horse power, 18 gal tank), 40 gal water tank (two tanks). Owner states that boat has been hauled out on a regular bases and bottom cleaning. The boat looks great but I don't want to pay more than it's worth. Thanks For You Help Tom K
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Augie Byllott
I had pre-purchase surveys conducted on two different boats within the past two years by two different surveyors. Both reaearched the local market looking for comparables and using that information in addition to the condition, equipment, etc. came up with what they said was a fair market value. Given the popularity of the C30 and the number that are usually on the market, you might do an on-line search beginning with Yachtworld.com to see what other C30s may be available in your neck of the woods. At the end of the day, you'll know the maximum you would be willing to pay, you'll offer less, and there will be some haggling until the price becomes set in concrete. That's the best price you'll get from this owner on this boat.
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John
C30 TR
The C 30 low value is around17000 Hight is around 24000 .Lookup www. boat trader.com and check there value on home page.But a C30 that is in trueley great shape will go for much more.The gear you have listed cost a great deal of money and if you will use the extra gear I feel its worth paying more for the boat then listed value. I would start around 20000 and see If the owner hates the offer.and take it from there .Its -4 deg In NY to night. Around here anty offer is nice in the middle of January I feel the brokers all mark up the boats around 25% But aboat that is trueley in great shape will go close to asking price.I have aC 30 1988TR XP25DL with all kinds of neet stuff I use it as a summer home every weekend My book value was around25500 and I had bimie ,dodger, frige, smart charger, 100amp alt three RD4 gell battreys WM 10' IN raft with 4hp moter,three anchors with chain and rode auto helm4000 1000W hart charger Inverter BBQ ECT My asking price was 39950 I payed( In 2000) 31000 and they delivered it by truck about 5 HR away.I Drove about 20,000 ML up and down the east coast looking at boats this was the third boat that I looked at and I should have bought it when I first saw it .I had a difrent deal that had a asking price of 33500 and the seller took 25500 it was a1987std rig new sails but striped for raceing( deal fell throw)draft in my slip was 4'max and boat had 5' fin keel The thing to remember is the deal is not done untill you sell the boat.Haveing to replaceing the moter can realy throw off your numbers.Good luck and have fun John
The C 30 low value is around17000 Hight is around 24000 .Lookup www. boat trader.com and check there value on home page.But a C30 that is in trueley great shape will go for much more.The gear you have listed cost a great deal of money and if you will use the extra gear I feel its worth paying more for the boat then listed value. I would start around 20000 and see If the owner hates the offer.and take it from there .Its -4 deg In NY to night. Around here anty offer is nice in the middle of January I feel the brokers all mark up the boats around 25% But aboat that is trueley in great shape will go close to asking price.I have aC 30 1988TR XP25DL with all kinds of neet stuff I use it as a summer home every weekend My book value was around25500 and I had bimie ,dodger, frige, smart charger, 100amp alt three RD4 gell battreys WM 10' IN raft with 4hp moter,three anchors with chain and rode auto helm4000 1000W hart charger Inverter BBQ ECT My asking price was 39950 I payed( In 2000) 31000 and they delivered it by truck about 5 HR away.I Drove about 20,000 ML up and down the east coast looking at boats this was the third boat that I looked at and I should have bought it when I first saw it .I had a difrent deal that had a asking price of 33500 and the seller took 25500 it was a1987std rig new sails but striped for raceing( deal fell throw)draft in my slip was 4'max and boat had 5' fin keel The thing to remember is the deal is not done untill you sell the boat.Haveing to replaceing the moter can realy throw off your numbers.Good luck and have fun John
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Tom K
'89 C30 TR
For what it's worth, the asking price on the '82 is exactly what I paid for my '89 C30 TR 2 years ago. (My surveyor told me I stole it, but who knows if that's true.) The boat you are looking at has more sails and gadgets than mine, and the new rigging is a plus. On the other hand, the '89 has some features the '82 does not have (eg, 21 hp engine), and as I understand it freshwater boats hold their value better. All told, it sounds like there should be a fair amount of give in the price on this boat. Mine was priced more realistically (32,500), so I bid about 88% of the ask and got it for that plus a relatively small "courtesy bump". You probably can be a little more aggressive, particularly if you come in with the kind of info you are gathering here to justify your bid. The C30 is a great boat. I hope you get one and have as much fun with it as I have. Good luck.
For what it's worth, the asking price on the '82 is exactly what I paid for my '89 C30 TR 2 years ago. (My surveyor told me I stole it, but who knows if that's true.) The boat you are looking at has more sails and gadgets than mine, and the new rigging is a plus. On the other hand, the '89 has some features the '82 does not have (eg, 21 hp engine), and as I understand it freshwater boats hold their value better. All told, it sounds like there should be a fair amount of give in the price on this boat. Mine was priced more realistically (32,500), so I bid about 88% of the ask and got it for that plus a relatively small "courtesy bump". You probably can be a little more aggressive, particularly if you come in with the kind of info you are gathering here to justify your bid. The C30 is a great boat. I hope you get one and have as much fun with it as I have. Good luck.
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Rob
Tom, When negotiating, never worry about insulting the seller with a low number. You are in the driver's seat as there are plenty of C-30s around. Ask the seller what his bottom line is. Of all the nice items you mentioned, do they all work? Did the seller demo them? Don't offer anything until you see everything light-up and operate correctly. These are all negotiaing tactics you can then use. The diesel sounds like it is an original...has it been rebuilt recently? By the way, the C-30 is a great boat and I love our '78! Good luck! Rob
you probabaly won't be happy with that...
small 11 hp engine. My Newport 28, which is considerably smaller and lighter than the C30 has the 14 hp Universal diesel. Runs great, very reliable, easy to work on, but I can't imagine being happy with 11 hp in the much heavier C30, especially when docking on a windy day or having to motor against current or wind. BTW, I agree with the other posters, the asking price is pretty high for that year boat.The 1989 C30 mentioned might have a walk-thru transom, a great feature. IMHO, I'd keep looking, there are plenty of C-30's on the market. Enjoy the search, it can be a lot of fun. Steve W.
small 11 hp engine. My Newport 28, which is considerably smaller and lighter than the C30 has the 14 hp Universal diesel. Runs great, very reliable, easy to work on, but I can't imagine being happy with 11 hp in the much heavier C30, especially when docking on a windy day or having to motor against current or wind. BTW, I agree with the other posters, the asking price is pretty high for that year boat.The 1989 C30 mentioned might have a walk-thru transom, a great feature. IMHO, I'd keep looking, there are plenty of C-30's on the market. Enjoy the search, it can be a lot of fun. Steve W.
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John
Underpowered
Steve is right--11 HP is way underpowered for that size boat. There's a reason why the later models went up to 21. The new Mk III has a 26 HP engine.
Steve is right--11 HP is way underpowered for that size boat. There's a reason why the later models went up to 21. The new Mk III has a 26 HP engine.
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Tom K
Thanks To All
I would like to thank everyone for the great information. We have decided to look around for a C30 with a little bigger engine before making a offer. This boat has been for sail for a few months now. Thanks Again. Tom K
I would like to thank everyone for the great information. We have decided to look around for a C30 with a little bigger engine before making a offer. This boat has been for sail for a few months now. Thanks Again. Tom K
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