What to Look for in (Almost) First Sailboat (Used)

bgary

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Sep 17, 2015
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1985 Ericson 32-III Everett
I recently went through this - just bought my first boat in decades, after spending a lot of time sailing (mostly racing) in my younger years - and for whatever it's worth I'll share some of the thinking that I went through:

-- it's good that you already have an idea of size- and price-ranges. That's often the hardest part, and budgets *always* get bigger, never smaller, as you look at more boats. I wanted something in the 32-35' range, because I wanted a boat that was big enough to go places, and still small enough that I could go out by myself for an evening sail in the summertime.

--I initially set my budget at around $30k. There are a *ton* of 80s- and 90s-era production fiberglass sailboats out there in that price range. But as I looked at a bunch of boats in that range and evaluated the state of condition, I got to my next decision-point.

-- it's good to decide how much tolerance you have for not just the ongoing maintenance, but the necessary rehab for an older boat. For me, I wanted to get on the water, not take on a project, so there were a lot of boats that fell off my list as I went out and looked. Boats that had major or significant structural issues, boats that had not been maintained properly, boats that needed significant cosmetic work, boats that had never been kept up-to-date (eg, 30 year old rigging, sails, etc), boats that had been raced hard and had issues (such as soft-spots on the deck). As I looked, I learned a lot about what I *didn't* want, and what I didn't want was a project that would take me years to get in shape before I could enjoy it. Be aware that making that decision affects either the size-range or price-range. In my case, I mentally bumped the budget a bit.

-- For me, I wanted a boat from a builder that had built enough to be "known good". There were some lovely one-offs (ex racing boats) in my size- and price- range, but having no way of knowing that the builder knew what they were doing, and having no "support" in the form of owners-forums or the like, waved me off. And along the way of learning about the relative reputations of different builders, I also learned a lot about the potential challenges of "cored" hull construction. Yes, a cored-hull may be light and stiff. It may also be the leading edge of some major remediation needs if it has been compromised. So I decided I was okay with a cored deck, but wanted a solid-layup hull (sadly, that knocked some lovely C&Cs off my list)

-- Look at a *lot* of boats. Seriously. Don't make a hobby out of it, but there's no substitute for building a catalog in your head about what you like and what you don't like. As you go, you'll start to notice patterns.... "oh, yeah, the galley area on these always seems so functional, but there's no storage area".... "the way the interior is laid out on that one, anytime someone needs to use the head they have to walk through where everyone else is sleeping"... "this one has so much wood below it feels like a cave"... "on that one, there's no place on deck to sit with a snack and a drink"... Etc.

-- and as you look, try to map what you're seeing, to what you intend to use the boat for. It doesn't matter if the boat is all set up for deepwater cruising, if you never intend to go offshore. For me, first and foremost, I wanted a boat that *sails* well - as an ex-racer, I wanted a lively hull, with a usable interior. There are a lot of boats out there designed around the interior, with less emphasis on sailing (a friend calls them "RVs that float"), and understanding the differences really helped me narrow my thinking.

-- Above all, be patient. I looked at well over 30 boats, and ended up finding just the right boat, but 1500 miles away. But it was just the right boat, so it was fairly easy to decide to bump the budget enough to have it shipped up here. Very happy that I spent the time and energy not just to look, but to figure out what "felt right", along the way. I ended up with a mid-80s, 32-foot "racer-cruiser" (racing-inspired hull, cruising-capable interior) from a well-known/reputable builder, that had been thoughtfully maintained and updated, and couldn't be happier.

Bruce
 
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Nov 8, 2007
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Hunter 27_75-84 Sandusky Harbor Marina, Ohio
Discussed this with the Admiral. (She may act as First Mate while under way, but must be the Admiral for decisions she sees as important.) Holding on to this attitude most of the time has meant 17 great years of cruising the Great Lakes and numerous charters around the world together!)

So start by looking at boats together. We found an agent who supported our desire for a cruising boat at the low end of the cost range. We drove around, and looked at around 20 boats in a number of marinas between Cleveland and Sandusky. We laid down in all the v-berths. We made sure they had a minimum of 6 feet of head room in the cabin. We both sat at the helm and looked over the bow. We moved from the cockpit to the decks - easy on our boat, difficult on some! We looked for boats that looked good to us.

We ended up choosing a shoal draft Hunter 27 over a deep draft Catalina 30. We have chartered a Catalina twice and would have done as well in her as in our h27, but as with NC sounds, shoal draft made more sense to us in our cruising grounds.

Some other thoughts:
- buying a very well maintained boat with modern, upgraded electronics is a cheap way to get high value.
- if you cruise to nearby marinas, you will have AC 110 at all of them for the hair dryer. I hope your Admiral will be OK doing without if you anchor out. Others have described what it takes to support this load at anchor.
- over the years, acquisition cost is easily exceeded by marina fees and maintenance. And maintenance costs go up exponentially with length. So a boat that is 10% longer will cost 21% to 33% more to maintain! Really!

Good luck! You have a great plan to enjoy a great cruising ground!
 
May 24, 2004
7,164
CC 30 South Florida
I would think you are thinking about sailing in the Sounds and not necessarily going out into the Atlantic to head for distant cruising grounds but at a $30-$40K investment it would be nice to get a boat capable of both. You primary use for now will be basically to have a waterfront cabin and some amenities my be in order. Enclosed head, air conditioner, water heater, Propane stove and a fridge. You could add a TV, a DVD player, AM/FM Radio, a small microwave oven and a coffee maker. Definitely will need a Bimini top for the cockpit. Check out the Hunter 290 with a fixed shoal wing keel. The 2000 models nicely equipped are selling in the mid $30s. Although not an offshore boat it is capable of coastal sailing, cruising the Bahamas and the Florida Keys. Definitely when choosing a boat with a lady friend in mind careful consideration should be given to the berths. Some people just cannot sleep in the confined space of a stern berth or do not fit comfortably in a V-Berth. Some boats turn the cabin settees into adequate beds while others not so adequate. Make a list of the characteristics that your boat will need to have so you may narrow down the different models you will be looking at. Example; shoal keel, 28'-30' in length, enclosed head, diesel engine, etc. The most costly things in a boat are the hull, the sails, the engine and the rigging; when purchasing a used boat make sure these things are in good shape.
 
Jun 8, 2004
853
Pearson 26W Marblehead
time for my 2c
I have sailed for over 50 years mostly in New England coastal waters mostly with my wife married over 50 years My last boat was a pearson 10m my current boat is a pearson 26w Both these boats used a galvanized Iron bucket no leaks no clogs no holding tan : for electricity I use battery operated lamps. Obviously Im a minimalist. Im not looking for lots of repairs and maintenence Sounds to me that the most important item on your boat is a hair drier They use a lot of juice Try to find a hand held D cell one

good luck
 
Dec 29, 2012
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Hunter 37 Jacksonville
So agree with JohnVTX. Get aboard boats. Lots of boats. But also if you want the first mate to be with you on this take her with you. My first mate has made the final decision on our last 2-3 boats. The change in boating enthusiasm has been incredible. Besides we have fun looking. Make a day of it, get lunch somewhere on the water. Share what is important for each of you.
 
Jun 29, 2010
1,287
Beneteau First 235 Lake Minnetonka, MN
Here's something that not many people mention, lots of great info on amenities and what not but it is a sailboat afterall. GO out and sail on some, really sail. Also, budget for new sails too cause you don't want to be puttering about with bedsheets hanging off of her. Amenities are of course important but, sailing characteristics matter a lot too.
 
Dec 9, 2015
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Tanzer 26 Nc
Hi! I'm a little older and in similar circumstances. Moving to coastal Carolina as soon as mountain house sells. Will likely end up with slip in Southport or Oriental area. Depends on house wifey settles for... best values are in New Bern area.After over a year of investigation, my boat purchase will likely be a Catalina 30 of late 70s or early 80s vintage. Many many reasons although there are others well worth considering. Cruisers Forum was first place I sought information and they are a knowledgeable bunch. But their focus on round the world cruising heavily biases their opinion on boats. Best of luck and maybe I'll see you on the water. Good selection of boats in Oriental that will meet your needs and wants.
 

YVRguy

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Jan 10, 2013
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Hunter 34 Vancouver, BC
I was in much the same situation when I bought my boat in 2013. I made the decision to get the most fully equipped boat I could justify, which actually led to spending a bit more than I'd envisioned. This is important for two reasons. First, as everyone here has already made clear, your passengers will appreciate every on-board convenience - from hot water, to hot meals to a proper head. (Somewhere on that continuum is power for a hair dryer but that wasn't a priority in my case.) Second, regardless of which boat you buy, you will immediately begin making a list of upgrades you want to add so you might as well get was much boat as you can now. That auto-pilot you didn't think you needed? Think again.
 
Sep 17, 2012
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Morgan 383 Fairhaven, NY
Goofy - I'd second the Catalina 30. Not to big to get ready in the spring and put away for the winter. Big enough to spend days on. (remember boats are work and play, try to minimize the work) Look for shoal or wing keel for NC coast. Find boat that someone loved. You can usually tell by the general condition, but since you're kind of newby, a survey is wise. Don't go with surveyor suggested by the selling broker - find your own. Here's some tips:
  • No one wants to sleep on OEM 3' cushions, so look for upgraded V-berth cushions. OEM canvas - same deal
  • OEM sails are short lived, look for upgrades from a real sailmaker
  • Upgraded self tailing winches, traveler, lazy jacks, full battens, new running & standing rigging (shrouds) are very valuable upgrades and enhance the sailing experience
  • Autopilot is like having another person onboard, a newer below deck AP is ideal, but new wheel pilots are OK
  • Refrigeration is great, but you need at least 2 big house batteries and an "off the grid" recharge strategy (for a weekend). Block ice and good cooler are proven substitutes. My point is you need a complete system to make the refer work for multiple days.
  • Engine - a reliable engine is a must. Look for additional fuel filters like a Racor 500 and/or a folding 3 blade prop, spare filters, impellers, belts. another sign of a "loved boat". A bigger engine is better. Proof of regular oil changes, & maintenance is important.
Good luck - there's 1/2 doz in Oriental, NC on yachtworld.com
 
Feb 7, 2016
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J-Boat J22 Chandlers Landing
1) whatever boat, get a survey.
2) decide if racing or pleasure boating. There are a lot of PHRF fleets, so you can often compromise.
3) name brands tend to hold up better.... Benneteau, Junneau(benneteau), J Boats, Catalina, but there are many more.
4) don't become enamored with the interior if you plan on spending most of time in cockpit with friends.
5) be ready to fix something....seldom is a boat sold in pristine condition.
6) Sails: I prefer to always have sails on the boat.... roller furling jib and hanked on main. Racers go for stream lined
7) Gas outboards with ethanol tend to be problematic, and gas inboards are EXPLOSIVE. Diesel is the way to go.
8) GET A SURVEY.... I know, redundant, but important
9) Find a marina. Trailer sailing is exciting, but at 60 you will soon tire of all the set up... and 30 feet is the upper limit for trailer.
10) can't argue with any of other writers' comments. All good advise. Especially the first mate.
11) take a refresher sailing course that your first mate can also take (separately)
Have Fun.
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
5,669
AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
Feb 7, 2016
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J-Boat J22 Chandlers Landing
Nonsuch is a great pleasure boat. Doesn't point as well as many others, but for ease of use it can't be beaten.
 
Aug 1, 2012
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I've bought more used boats than is healthy probably and one thing I've learned is buy the boat that some other guy got for a "bargain" price and then dumped half his net worth into to get it just right. With your budget and the size you are looking for you should be able to do just that but it will take some time. My taste has always been toward the speed end of the spectrum. I sailed on a friend's half million dollar plus cruiser recently and god its a beautiful thing, but I just couldn't get past the only word that came to mind when at the wheel which was "sluggish." Many of the boats recommended here will, I fear, fall into the same category. This is truly a personal choice though; many sailors could care less if their boat is 80 seconds per mile slower than some other guy. I would look for a J30 that someone has restored. It is a proven, seaworthy design with excellent performance (compare the PHRF ratings) and more than adequate cruising accommodations and with the added plus of sailing very well with main alone when you are shorthanded or in a blow. A surveyor is critical for an old boat and not just any surveyor. There are some out there who don't want to get in the broker's way. Ask a local yard manager for a recommendation. Happy first mates in my opinion are more about wind strength, sail area and your skill, than hair dryers, so hone up before introducing her to a pleasant day with less than moderate wind and a no. 3 jib and work up, slowly, from there.
 
Jul 7, 2004
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Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
I'm in a similar situation, 60 and the First Mate is more interested in the living arrangements than the sailing. We bought our '91 Hunter 30T last fall from an amazing couple with 10-20 years on us still sailing her. She is set up with most if not all of the items mentioned here; open transom, all lines led aft, easy main flaking, auto helm, furler, bimini 4.3' draft, and everything below. We considered Catalina 30's but really prefer the aft queen berth arrangement in the Hunter. The Hunter has an 11' beam which makes it very roomy below.
 
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Mar 28, 2014
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Hunter 31 Lake Norman, NC
Goofy . . I am in Winston-Salem anf sail with a group a couple times s year (Spring/Fall) on the NC coast. My Hunter 31 is on Lake Norman Nd if you find yourself over that way, let me know. Our fleet will have several boaters with everything from trailer-able boats (20' classic wooden to 25' Seawards) to a Ketch Rig Shannon out of Oriental, NC. We will be sailing out of Belhaven on May 9th for a week. Let me know if you have interest. Oh, and I strongly recommend retractable or shoal draft for the sounds of NC.