I just installed a new Garhauer vang, which by the way I highly recommend. Mark, at Garhauer, has been terrific to work with. Used the vang last weekend with 15 to 20 knot winds and it was very sweet. Now the problem. I wanted the line from the vang to run back to the cockpit of my Hunter 340, but I don't have any place to cinch it or tie it off. My lines can run under the deck hood into a port or starboard Spinlock Power Clutch or sheet stopper. The starboard has three positions and the port has two. They are filled with reefing lines, main and jib sheets and the main halyard. After talking with my dealer, he recommends changing out the port two position Spinlock sheet stopper to a three positon Spinlock sheet stopper. Cost with labor about $165. (Below is a URL to a Spinlock Power Clutch) What do you think? I hate to spend 1/2 as much to secure the line as a spent for the whole darn vang!!! Any thoughts?? I might be able to do the job myself and save the $75 labor, but I'm not seeing any easy way to get to the backside of the Spinlock unit from the interior cabin top. There are access panels for the winchs near there, but not RIGHT there. BTW, the dealer also suggested I look under the hood to check for an open sheave on the port side. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Kind regards and thanks in advance, Wynn Ferrel S/V Tranquility
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Ed Schenck
E-Bay!
I bought two double clutches off of E-Bay. Total cost was about $50. In your situation I would look for a single clutch to bolt next to the double. But then I work on the cheap, the very cheap. As for installation I think there are three choices. The easiest and cheapest is to bolt through with a nice stainless backing plate on the headliner. Or you can work from the top, open up the deck and class in a stainless plate, then drill and tap it for the bolts. I saw a picture on HOW of the third way. Open up the headliner and glass in the plate from below. Then install one of those round access plates or a piece of teak to cover. How about pictures when you finish?
I bought two double clutches off of E-Bay. Total cost was about $50. In your situation I would look for a single clutch to bolt next to the double. But then I work on the cheap, the very cheap. As for installation I think there are three choices. The easiest and cheapest is to bolt through with a nice stainless backing plate on the headliner. Or you can work from the top, open up the deck and class in a stainless plate, then drill and tap it for the bolts. I saw a picture on HOW of the third way. Open up the headliner and glass in the plate from below. Then install one of those round access plates or a piece of teak to cover. How about pictures when you finish?
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Joe Barrett
Move to cockpit
I would suggest you are on the right track in wanting the boom vang line aft.I found it is a line that needs constant adjusting, an overtrimmed vang line in light air will kill boat speed
I would suggest you are on the right track in wanting the boom vang line aft.I found it is a line that needs constant adjusting, an overtrimmed vang line in light air will kill boat speed
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Peter Brennan
Jam cleat
A simple jam cleat or horn cleat will do the job. No need for costly clutches. While that vang gives you a terrific mechanical advantage (no need for a traveller), there is not that much strain on the end of the line. I agree, by the way, that this was probably the best few bucks I spent performance wise.
A simple jam cleat or horn cleat will do the job. No need for costly clutches. While that vang gives you a terrific mechanical advantage (no need for a traveller), there is not that much strain on the end of the line. I agree, by the way, that this was probably the best few bucks I spent performance wise.
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Bob Carlton
Question for Peter
Peter, you say there is no need for a traveller with a rigid vang. Do you mean a topping lift? If not, tell me more about this.
Peter, you say there is no need for a traveller with a rigid vang. Do you mean a topping lift? If not, tell me more about this.
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Sam Lust
Why not an interesting solution?
Yes the solid vang is very nice to have for additional sail control and no, it really doesn't eliminate the need for a traveler. I ran the line for my (Garhauer) solid vang back to the wheel, using over the top fairlead blocks. Actually they are Garhauer halyard base blocks modified slightly to do the job. The line comes back to a cam cleat mounted on the coaming. The vang is easily adjusted while standing or seated at the wheel. Most worthwhile.
Yes the solid vang is very nice to have for additional sail control and no, it really doesn't eliminate the need for a traveler. I ran the line for my (Garhauer) solid vang back to the wheel, using over the top fairlead blocks. Actually they are Garhauer halyard base blocks modified slightly to do the job. The line comes back to a cam cleat mounted on the coaming. The vang is easily adjusted while standing or seated at the wheel. Most worthwhile.
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Carl and Juliana Dupre
Vang Line to Cockpit
Hi, Wynn. We also purchased the Garhauer vang for our H340 over the winter. Hopefully we will get to use it for the first time this coming weekend. For the vang line we are going to use the port side jam cleat that was intended for the port jib sheet. We have the spinnaker winches and we use them for the jib sheets. One of the few things that we didn't like about the basic 340 design was that it had only two winches. That is just not enough for a boat that size, so we got the spinnaker winches and we run the jib sheets back to the spinnaker winches. That freed up the two top-deck jam cleats, and the vang line goes there. Longer term we are looking at the same thing that you are; replacing the port-side two-position spinlock with a 3-position model. We haven't looked into the specific attachment details yet, but I don't think that back-side access is an issue; I don't think that they are thru-bolted; I think that the spinlocks are just screwed into the aluminum plates that are embedded in the fiberglass under the spinlocks. The question is whether or not the embedded plate on the port side is big enough to mount a 3-position spinlock. We will be querying Hunter about these kind of details before we proceed. Carl and Jule s/v 'Syzygy'
Hi, Wynn. We also purchased the Garhauer vang for our H340 over the winter. Hopefully we will get to use it for the first time this coming weekend. For the vang line we are going to use the port side jam cleat that was intended for the port jib sheet. We have the spinnaker winches and we use them for the jib sheets. One of the few things that we didn't like about the basic 340 design was that it had only two winches. That is just not enough for a boat that size, so we got the spinnaker winches and we run the jib sheets back to the spinnaker winches. That freed up the two top-deck jam cleats, and the vang line goes there. Longer term we are looking at the same thing that you are; replacing the port-side two-position spinlock with a 3-position model. We haven't looked into the specific attachment details yet, but I don't think that back-side access is an issue; I don't think that they are thru-bolted; I think that the spinlocks are just screwed into the aluminum plates that are embedded in the fiberglass under the spinlocks. The question is whether or not the embedded plate on the port side is big enough to mount a 3-position spinlock. We will be querying Hunter about these kind of details before we proceed. Carl and Jule s/v 'Syzygy'
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Miles
340 Vang
The Garhauer vang is great, I have one on my 340. I also added a spinlock clutch to the port side for the spinnaker halyard. Carl and Jule are right, there is just an aluminum plate glassed into the deck. You just drill and tap it and bolt the clutch on. I added a single right next to the existing double but you could probably go with a new triple if you really want to. Since both deck organizers are full I ran the vang control line from the vang through a small cheek block mounted on the forward part of the coach roof (to deflect it about 10 degrees) and then through a bullseye and cam cleat mounted next to the port side winch. It runs through the hole at the bottom of the dodger. The cam cleat is very handy, I highly recomend it. You can easily control the vang from the helm with out having to go forward and open a clutch. Just pop the line up and it's free, pull it down and it's set. With 20-1 purchase it never requires any brute force and a smallish cam cleat will hold just fine. The line does run across the deck but I think that's better than reworking everything to fit 4 lines under one side. Have Fun!
The Garhauer vang is great, I have one on my 340. I also added a spinlock clutch to the port side for the spinnaker halyard. Carl and Jule are right, there is just an aluminum plate glassed into the deck. You just drill and tap it and bolt the clutch on. I added a single right next to the existing double but you could probably go with a new triple if you really want to. Since both deck organizers are full I ran the vang control line from the vang through a small cheek block mounted on the forward part of the coach roof (to deflect it about 10 degrees) and then through a bullseye and cam cleat mounted next to the port side winch. It runs through the hole at the bottom of the dodger. The cam cleat is very handy, I highly recomend it. You can easily control the vang from the helm with out having to go forward and open a clutch. Just pop the line up and it's free, pull it down and it's set. With 20-1 purchase it never requires any brute force and a smallish cam cleat will hold just fine. The line does run across the deck but I think that's better than reworking everything to fit 4 lines under one side. Have Fun!
Just add a single sheet stopper!
Wynn: We did the same basic thing on our H'31. We had the larger Spinlock units. We had a triple on the port (2 halyards and 1 sheet of self tending jib) on the starboard we had a double. We just added another single unit. I wanted all of my lines for the main on the starboard and jib on the port. What I would do if I were you is to remove one screw from the current sheet stopper on the starboard side. This will probably give you an idea how they are attached. I would assume (probably wrong) that they are drilled and tapped into the aluminum plate in the cabin roof. If this IS the case, you just need to get a tap and drill set to do this yourself. It does not take more than 30-45 mins in a brew or two. Get yourself a tube of Life Caulk to seal it and you will be done on that end. The next question is, Do you have a turning block (organizer) on the deck for the line to be diverted back to the cockpit? If you don't I would suggest that you go back to Garhauer and get one of there triples or a stacked double organizer and replace the one that is there now. This may also take a drill and tap job. The holes never seem to match up unless it is the same brand.
Wynn: We did the same basic thing on our H'31. We had the larger Spinlock units. We had a triple on the port (2 halyards and 1 sheet of self tending jib) on the starboard we had a double. We just added another single unit. I wanted all of my lines for the main on the starboard and jib on the port. What I would do if I were you is to remove one screw from the current sheet stopper on the starboard side. This will probably give you an idea how they are attached. I would assume (probably wrong) that they are drilled and tapped into the aluminum plate in the cabin roof. If this IS the case, you just need to get a tap and drill set to do this yourself. It does not take more than 30-45 mins in a brew or two. Get yourself a tube of Life Caulk to seal it and you will be done on that end. The next question is, Do you have a turning block (organizer) on the deck for the line to be diverted back to the cockpit? If you don't I would suggest that you go back to Garhauer and get one of there triples or a stacked double organizer and replace the one that is there now. This may also take a drill and tap job. The holes never seem to match up unless it is the same brand.
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Wynn Ferrel
Thanks for the ideas!
I learned a lot from your replys. I just came back from the boat. Since the area directly under the Splinlock sheet stoppers is not directly accessable through cabin access ports, I was really pleased to learn of the aluminum plate under the current mounting. BTW Steve, I ran the line through the deck organizers under the cabin hood that direct the lines aft to the Spinlock clutches. I found a Spinlock site that recommends deck hardware for various uses. Their recommendations agree with Miles' post regarding a cleat where the line can be easily released from almost any position. The Spinlock PX0812SW swival mounted cleat seems perfect. I also looked through the Harken 2002 catalog and they recommend a "Cam Swivel Base" #240, 241 for this particular use. BTW, the Spinlock site was pretty cool. It has an Interactive Deck Planner that allows you to speciify your deck hardware based on the type of sailing you do and the size of your boat. (URL is linked below) I think I will call Hunter and run my plans by them and then I will be on my way. MANY THANKS to all of you for your generous advice. I've go it all figured out! Regards, Wynn Ferrel S/V Tranquility
I learned a lot from your replys. I just came back from the boat. Since the area directly under the Splinlock sheet stoppers is not directly accessable through cabin access ports, I was really pleased to learn of the aluminum plate under the current mounting. BTW Steve, I ran the line through the deck organizers under the cabin hood that direct the lines aft to the Spinlock clutches. I found a Spinlock site that recommends deck hardware for various uses. Their recommendations agree with Miles' post regarding a cleat where the line can be easily released from almost any position. The Spinlock PX0812SW swival mounted cleat seems perfect. I also looked through the Harken 2002 catalog and they recommend a "Cam Swivel Base" #240, 241 for this particular use. BTW, the Spinlock site was pretty cool. It has an Interactive Deck Planner that allows you to speciify your deck hardware based on the type of sailing you do and the size of your boat. (URL is linked below) I think I will call Hunter and run my plans by them and then I will be on my way. MANY THANKS to all of you for your generous advice. I've go it all figured out! Regards, Wynn Ferrel S/V Tranquility
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