What to do with an Abandoned Vineyard Boat?

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Aug 2, 2005
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pearson ariel grand rapids
This is the MOST ABSURD comment I've read on this forum in a long time. The OWNER, not the town, has left it "unsecured" it is his/her boat and as such it is his/her responsibility to store it, haul it, cover it and protect it. It is not the obligation of tax payers of the town to foot the bill for your vessels well being and storage.

If this boat had been abandoned in a boat yard, such as MVSY, they would have owned it via lien long ago and sold it to recoup the storage fees. This actually happens all the time.

Perhaps in Canada it is the duty of the town TAXPAYERS to haul & store your vessel for you? Do you let your neighbors foot the bill for your storage? Do they also pay for covering and protection of your vessel when dry stored?

Here in the US we pay our own way and do not let our boats sit on town property without paying for the storage. Why is it the towns, or more correctly, the individual tax payers of the towns job to store your boat for you, protect it, cover it and care for it. The answer is quite simple, it is NOT!

And I thought people in the US were "lawsuit happy" ......:eek: The tax payers of the town should be getting reimbursed BY THE OWNER OF THE VESSEL, on a sq foot storage basis, comparable to what local boat yards charge or the vessel sold at auction to recoup SOME of the storage fees.

It seems the owner probably owes the town and its taxpayers over 10k in storage fees at this point.

Jeez maybe I'll just plop my boat in the town park next winter for FREE, what a deal..........;)
I totally agree, it's not the towns responsibility to take care of someones boat, or to pay their bills.
But the gist of the story is that the owner left it tied up at a dock, tied up to a dock pretty much means 'secured'. Leaving the boat there stacks up storage fees, they have the right to hold the boat till the owner pays those fees. There are hundreds, possibly thousands of laws that allow taking ownership or possession of property for unpaid fees etc.

Thing is They took the boat from a secure location and moved to to a less secure area (anchored outside the harbor) which sounds as though it could have been outside city limits.
Once it left their property they gave up any right to taking possession of it, they effectively turned it from " You owe us storage fees, we have your boat, pay the fees and you can have it" into "here's your boat, pay the fees when you can or want."
When they went back and again took possession of the boat, they were actually stealing it.
They had legal right to haul it until they moved it out of the harbor and away from their docks. After moving it off their property, they gave up any rights to holding the boat, their course of action should have been going to court and put a lien on it, or get legal papers allowing them to take possession.


Not saying the owner doesn't owe storage fees, He does owe them, but legally he only owes the storage fees up to the time the harbormaster moved the boat out of the harbor. (did owe, see below)
But:
Mr. Lynch met with the HMD to discuss his situation and paid his mooring fees in August 2005, Mr. Crocker said. A year later, his sister paid the town for the hauling bill from MVSY. Since the HMD had stored Riot for two and a half years, Mr. Crocker said the department would like to be compensated $6,460, in keeping with MVSY's storage rates.

His fees, along with extras are paid.

and this:
After years of neglect, the boat's fiberglass exterior is marred by broken ports, graffiti, and faded paint. Its interior is a tumble of trash and debris.

sounds like they are not practicing due diligence as far as storage is concerned. Basically, confiscation laws state that people who confiscate property are required to keep that property in good condition and practice due diligence in keeping it secure.

from
http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIII/TitleIII/Chapter239/Section4

(8) shall send by first class mail to the defendant’s last and best known address monthly statements of the amount of advances made and of liabilities incurred for which the warehouseman claims a lien or security interest pursuant to this section; and (9) shall insure the defendant’s property against fire and theft in the amount of no less than $10,000. A warehouser who accepts goods under this section is liable for any loss or injury to the goods caused by his or her failure to exercise such care in regard to them as a reasonably careful person would exercise under like circumstances but unless otherwise agreed or provided in this section, the warehouser is not liable for damages which could not have been avoided by the exercise of such care. No person shall be required to release a warehouser from liability as a condition of release of any stored property.


Every state has laws that are very similar to that, seized property has to be protected as well as you would your own.

edit:
This excerpt is not specifically dealing with vehicles, I'm unable to find a specific citation, but they all follow the basic premise that seized property has to be kept safe, either inside a building or in a secure area.
 
Feb 6, 1998
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Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I totally agree, it's not the towns responsibility to take care of someones boat, or to pay their bills.
But the gist of the story is that the owner left it tied up at a dock, tied up to a dock pretty much means 'secured'. Leaving the boat there stacks up storage fees, they have the right to hold the boat till the owner pays those fees. There are hundreds, possibly thousands of laws that allow taking ownership or possession of property for unpaid fees etc.

Thing is They took the boat from a secure location and moved to to a less secure area (anchored outside the harbor) which sounds as though it could have been outside city limits.
Once it left their property they gave up any right to taking possession of it, they effectively turned it from " You owe us storage fees, we have your boat, pay the fees and you can have it" into "here's your boat, pay the fees when you can or want."
When they went back and again took possession of the boat, they were actually stealing it.
They had legal right to haul it until they moved it out of the harbor and away from their docks. After moving it off their property, they gave up any rights to holding the boat, their course of action should have been going to court and put a lien on it, or get legal papers allowing them to take possession.


Not saying the owner doesn't owe storage fees, He does owe them, but legally he only owes the storage fees up to the time the harbormaster moved the boat out of the harbor. (did owe, see below)
But:
Mr. Lynch met with the HMD to discuss his situation and paid his mooring fees in August 2005, Mr. Crocker said. A year later, his sister paid the town for the hauling bill from MVSY. Since the HMD had stored Riot for two and a half years, Mr. Crocker said the department would like to be compensated $6,460, in keeping with MVSY's storage rates.

His fees, along with extras are paid.

and this:
After years of neglect, the boat's fiberglass exterior is marred by broken ports, graffiti, and faded paint. Its interior is a tumble of trash and debris.

sounds like they are not practicing due diligence as far as storage is concerned. Basically, confiscation laws state that people who confiscate property are required to keep that property in good condition and practice due diligence in keeping it secure.

from
http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIII/TitleIII/Chapter239/Section4

(8) shall send by first class mail to the defendant’s last and best known address monthly statements of the amount of advances made and of liabilities incurred for which the warehouseman claims a lien or security interest pursuant to this section; and (9) shall insure the defendant’s property against fire and theft in the amount of no less than $10,000. A warehouser who accepts goods under this section is liable for any loss or injury to the goods caused by his or her failure to exercise such care in regard to them as a reasonably careful person would exercise under like circumstances but unless otherwise agreed or provided in this section, the warehouser is not liable for damages which could not have been avoided by the exercise of such care. No person shall be required to release a warehouser from liability as a condition of release of any stored property.


Every state has laws that are very similar to that, seized property has to be protected as well as you would your own.

edit:
This excerpt is not specifically dealing with vehicles, I'm unable to find a specific citation, but they all follow the basic premise that seized property has to be kept safe, either inside a building or in a secure area.
Except that his boat was not "seized". Ordinances were not followed, fees were not paid and the boat eventually removed from the water out of safety concerns. Storage has not been paid for since 2005.

Your point about it being stolen is quite a leap. Most Harbor Masters have jurisdiction over the towns "waters" which I am fairly certain extended to at least where the boat was anchored after being abandoned on a mooring and finally moved. There are no "extra" moorings in VHH to stick a boat on and as I understand it the waiting list for one in the inner harbor is measured in decades. How would you feel if you were one of the people on the wait list and this guy has just abandoned his boat, is not using it and had not paid his fees?

Our Harbor Master could tow a boat many miles, anchor it, and still be in our towns managed waters.. Many water fronting towns have regulations regarding moorage, docks, fees, winterization of moorings, mooring inspections, types of boats allowed in a particular harbor, mandatory winter haul dates etc. etc...

Having been to VHH, and anchored there, I suspect the boat was simply moved from the inner part of the harbor to the outer part. This is all part of Vineyard Haven/Tisbury Harbor as is Tashmoo. I can't imagine the boat was outside the chops as the depths out there drop off to 50+ feet. While there are less moorings in the outer harbor there are still a lot of them and many boats summer there. It's a decent spot to anchor in. There would really be no "swing room" to try and anchor a boat in the inner harbor as it is basically chuck full.

So what was the Harbor Master to do? What would you have done with an abandoned boat on a mooring when storage and mooring fees had not been paid and an owner who would not return calls..??
 
Aug 2, 2005
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pearson ariel grand rapids
Except that his boat was not "seized". Ordinances were not followed, fees were not paid and the boat eventually removed from the water out of safety concerns. Storage has not been paid for since 2005.

Your point about it being stolen is quite a leap. Most Harbor Masters have jurisdiction over the towns "waters" which I am fairly certain extended to at least where the boat was anchored after being abandoned on a mooring and finally moved. There are no "extra" moorings in VHH to stick a boat on and as I understand it the waiting list for one in the inner harbor is measured in decades. How would you feel if you were one of the people on the wait list and this guy has just abandoned his boat, is not using it and had not paid his fees?
Ordinances don't seem to have been followed by the harbor master either.

I did a couple quick searches of Massachusetts lien laws regarding boats and mooring fees, and came up with dozens of sites quoting the laws, all of them state that non payment of docking or mooring fees are legal reasons for attaching a lien on a boat. All of them state that storage fees can be charged while the lien holder has possession of the boat, and all of them state that the boat can be sold after a reasonable amount of time to satisfy the lien. (90 days after written notice to registered owner)

Either you have a complete island of people who have never had an issue with non payment of debts, or abandoned property in the 370 years the island's been settled by English speaking people so have never had reason to make laws addressing it Or you have a harbor master and township board who have never heard of the laws regarding non payment of fees, don't know what a lien is, or have never heard of maritime laws at all.

Or, something is not right in the story as presented.

Yes, saying 'stolen' may be a leap, but my interpretation of 'out of the harbor' is that it was moved 'out of the harbor'. From google satellite view, and published info (harbor flyers online etc), it looks as though the town harbor is a rather small portion of the actual harbor. Complete with breakwater etc. The rest of the harbor (beyond the wall) is dotted with anchored or moored boats, and about 50 private docks. From that, and the cluttered look of the harbor (with tiny little building marked tisbury town harbormaster) I'd say 'out of the harbor' meant he moved it out beyond the wall.
(side note, It does look like a very pretty, if 'touristy' place)


As for " How would you feel if you were one of the people on the wait list and this guy has just abandoned his boat, is not using it and had not paid his fees?" I would be nervous about putting my boat there after reading about this one.

If he just abandoned the boat, correct legal procedure would have been to attach a lien, send letter to his last known address, then 90 days later sell the boat. It's all spelled out in dozens of papers on the subject. I also believe Maritime law would apply, and spells it out clearly, totally legal, and reasonably quick.

For some reason, they bypassed that nice clean easy to follow procedure, and have a boat on land, bermed in so it's not easily movable, vandalized and trashed out.
Why? you don't just forget for 7 years that you could easily file a lien and be done with it in 4 months at the most.
Something is wrong with the story.


Edit: sad thing is, if they would have followed normal procedures, they would have a made a tidy profit, and there would have been another nice boat sailing. As it is, they will have to pay for disposal, they just -may- break even on the lead in her keel.
 
Feb 6, 1998
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Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Edit: sad thing is, if they would have followed normal procedures, they would have a made a tidy profit, and there would have been another nice boat sailing. As it is, they will have to pay for disposal, they just -may- break even on the lead in her keel.
The new 90 day law in MA was only signed by the governor on August 18 of 2011 so they have had a total of 6-7 months under this law...
"Last August Gov. Deval Patrick signed a new law to simplify the removal of abandoned boats, as well as seaplanes and rafts, according to a State House News Service article dated August 18, 2011.

Rep. Antonio Cabral (D-New Bedford) sponsored the original proposal that led to the new law. He said that although the Department of Conservation and Recreation had the responsibility to remove abandoned vessels, it often lacked funding to clear public waterways.

Under previous law, municipalities had to take owners of derelict boats, if they could be identified, to court, which was a lengthy and costly process. For example, from 2007 through 2010, New Bedford removed 18 abandoned vessels on public waterways at a cost of $17,000 to $20,000 each, assistant harbormaster Thomas Vital told the State House News Service.

The new law permits harbormasters or private property owners to claim a boat after certifying it has been abandoned for at least 90 days, according to the State House News Service article."
 

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Edit: sad thing is, if they would have followed normal procedures, they would have a made a tidy profit

don't see anywhere in this that anyone, except the attorneys could have made a "profit"....

if there was profit to be made recovering sunken or abandoned boats, you can just about bet...people would be fighting for that concession...

Just disposing of one 55 gallon drum of "oily bilge water" from a previously sunk boat that was raised was over $150 plus transport to Norfolk (about 3 hours from me) to the nearest "reclamation center". Liability insurance is also quite high, as those of us on the water actually have to PAY the fines unlike BP and the big oil companies.
 
Aug 2, 2005
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pearson ariel grand rapids
don't see anywhere in this that anyone, except the attorneys could have made a "profit"....

if there was profit to be made recovering sunken or abandoned boats, you can just about bet...people would be fighting for that concession...

Just disposing of one 55 gallon drum of "oily bilge water" from a previously sunk boat that was raised was over $150 plus transport to Norfolk (about 3 hours from me) to the nearest "reclamation center". Liability insurance is also quite high, as those of us on the water actually have to PAY the fines unlike BP and the big oil companies.
Story has nothing to do with a sunken boat, It was winter storage fees that started the whole thing.
 
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