What to coat the boat bottom for speed?

Jun 5, 2014
209
Capital Yacths Newport MKIII 30 Punta Gorda, Fl
I have read that waxing the boats bottom will actually slow it down. Is there anything that can be applied to the bottom of the hull to make it slide through the water faster. The anti fouling paint is in good shape. I can lift the boat so If there is anything that I could coat the bottom even it only last for say 24 hrs or so that would be great for race day.


Thanks. Mike
 
Nov 24, 2012
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There used to be a Teflon coating that was applied for the same purpose. Don't know if it's around or wether you can put it over bottom paint.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
No matter what your bottom is, there is only one fact. SMOOTH IS FAST.

ALL bottom treatments will have several layers of water molecules attach to them even when the boat is moving. a bit farther out, water starts to slide over the boundary layer and that is the area that generates drag. The smoother that area is, the less turbulence (more laminar flow) and the faster the bottom is. My world class racer friends treat their paintless bottoms (hullkote), but only to keep stuff from sticking to it. It's not faster per se.
 
Feb 26, 2011
1,440
Achilles SD-130 Alameda, CA
I can lift the boat so If there is anything that I could coat the bottom even it only last for say 24 hrs or so that would be great for race day.
Sorry pal, you're out of luck. Spend your time and money on sails and crew work.
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
I have read that waxing the boats bottom will actually slow it down. Is there anything that can be applied to the bottom of the hull to make it slide through the water faster. The anti fouling paint is in good shape. I can lift the boat so If there is anything that I could coat the bottom even it only last for say 24 hrs or so that would be great for race day. Thanks. Mike
If you can leave the boat out of the water when not in use, it will not absorb water. Also easier to wet sand out of the water?
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,821
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Clean

Just keep your bottom clean and maybe a hard bottom and keep it clean,
good crew and good race plan but good crew and good crew.

Nick
 

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RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Yup, SMOOTH is fast, as Jackdaw has stated.
The most important area for such smoothing is on the all the 'leading edges' of the boat and for 1/3 the way back from that leading edge to whatever and far away from the leading edge the trailing surface is. Baby's ass smooth.

Teflon based paints work best for this: Baltoplate (Interlux), the various offerings of VC, VC17, etc. as the low friction teflon and the ability to 'burnish' these coatings is unparalleled for 'FLAT and smooth' and low friction.
Burnishing is the 'smearing' of semi-soft coatings into a highly polished and very flat surface. The burnishing is usually done with high grade clay filled 'magazine paper' ... the shiny paper thats found in high quality magazines. Flat sanding removes such expensive coatings; burnishing smears the finish to be smooth and doesnt remove any coating.

The 1987 Americas Cup boat 'Stars and Stripes' used a scientific coating called 'rivelettes' ... a molded polymeric coating similar to shark skin ... the microscopic 'roughness' provided microscopic 'cavitation' (producing microscopic gas bubbles) at the hull surface which lessened hull drag/friction.

Before the age of environmental awareness ... top tier racers used to apply slowly eroding soap coatings that increased the 'wetness' of the water at the hull surface. Of course such boats trailed soap suds in their wake and such is why such practices are now strictly illegal ... but were at that time very FAST in practice.
Also too some boats just after 'the soap times' experimented with 'air porous hulls' and used hand operated air compressors to force air through the hull into the water which reduced friction ... and is still prohibited in racing circles.
Some 'modern' design boats ( Tunnel hulled boats ) 'naturally' trap air under the hull for friction reduction ... some of the ultra-fast sailing ILYA scows and some of the mega-ultra fast Aussy skiffs. You watch the stern wake for the apparent amount of air bubbles visible to set the correct amount of heeling which traps the greatest amount of air under the hull's flat or tunneled bottom.

For the average person, SMOOTH and FLAT is the 'fastest', especially smooth and flat at the leading edges and (at least) about 1/3 the way back from those leading edges - bow, keel, rudder.
 
Feb 26, 2011
1,440
Achilles SD-130 Alameda, CA
...top tier racers used to apply slowly eroding soap coatings that increased the 'wetness' of the water at the hull surface. Of course such boats trailed soap suds in their wake and such is why such practices are now strictly illegal ...
Puh-leez
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
I guess you never witnessed what's in the effluent of most sewage plants of major cities ... youd think that would be illegal, no? Called 'sovereign immunity'.
 
Feb 26, 2011
1,440
Achilles SD-130 Alameda, CA
I guess you never witnessed what's in the effluent of most sewage plants of major cities ... youd think that would be illegal, no? Called 'sovereign immunity'.
You missed my point. I never witnessed (or heard about or read about) "top tier" racers (or anybody elese, for that matter) putting soap on their hulls as a speed enhancement. I call bullsh*t.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Well then I apologize for your apparent lack of expertise and knowledge of what commonly was done in the 50s & 60s ... and which is still listed as a prohibition in most racing rules: Prohibited - the emission of polymers, and other surfactant agents into the water, etc.
 
Feb 26, 2011
1,440
Achilles SD-130 Alameda, CA
Quoting a broad-ranging racing rule does not prove that soap was used on race boat hulls. Do you have something a little more specfic? I'm happy to admit I'm wrong, if indeed I am.
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,243
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
We used to use lux detergent on our skis for race days in the spring, when melting snow left dirt and grease on the surface.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Quoting a broad-ranging racing rule does not prove that soap was used on race boat hulls. Do you have something a little more specfic? I'm happy to admit I'm wrong, if indeed I am.
Its specifically ....
Part 4, RULE 53 - (US Sailing. org):
SKIN FRICTION

A boat shall not eject or release a substance, such as a polymer, or have specially textured surfaces that could improve the character of the flow of water inside the boundary layer.

http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/RRS20132016StudyVersion-[13380].pdf
 
Feb 26, 2011
1,440
Achilles SD-130 Alameda, CA
Its specifically ....
Part 4, RULE 53 - (US Sailing. org):
SKIN FRICTION

A boat shall not eject or release a substance, such as a polymer, or have specially textured surfaces that could improve the character of the flow of water inside the boundary layer.

http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/RRS20132016StudyVersion-[13380].pdf
What we have here is a failure to comminicate...

I'm not asking you to quote the rule book. That's easy but proves nothing. You claimed that racers would put "soap coating" on the hulls. I'm asking you to provide some evidence of that, as I have never heard of it being done before.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
We used to use lux detergent on our skis for race days in the spring, when melting snow left dirt and grease on the surface.
Yup indeed, and thats why oil lubricated air compressors for snow making are virtually outlawed at ski slopes ... and good riddance, too. You wouldnt have believed how many 'hundreds' of gallons of lube oil were spewed out of those 'oil-flooded screw type oil pumpers' onto the slopes.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
What we have here is a failure to comminicate...

I'm not asking you to quote the rule book. That's easy but proves nothing. You claimed that racers would put "soap coating" on the hulls. I'm asking you to provide some evidence of that, as I have never heard of it being done before.
Just a simple question as Im not much interested in getting into a inane circular argument ... just why in hell would you think that such a SPECIFIC RULE appears in the country's primary racing rules??? Just give a good 'guess'?
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,357
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Quoting a broad-ranging racing rule does not prove that soap was used on race boat hulls. Do you have something a little more specfic? I'm happy to admit I'm wrong, if indeed I am.
Even into the 70s this was a common practice. I can remember my dad bringing me to the yard in Newport where the AC boats were maintained and knew the guy who did it.
That you are unaware of the history doesn't change it.