What to buy?

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Jul 24, 2006
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Macgregor 25 Tulsa, Ok.
Lazy Jacks

JB- I might be wrong, but if you typically trailer sail, I don't think lazy jacks are a real good option, just from what I've seen of them. Seems like it would take a lot longer to rig the boat and tear it all down. If you leave it in a slip all season, well that's a different story. I only have my boat out for this winter because I wanted to do a bottom job and re-wire it, as well as adding single-handed rigging. After that, she'll stay in the slip until time for the next bottom job or we decide to take her on a vacation or to side tie at a friend's dock at another lake in the area for a month or so. That long dissertation aside- yes, I'll likely add lazy jacks when I buy a new main sail. Bill- Two books I'd recommend which will put sailing terminology into proper perspective and which do a great job at explaining it on the most elementary level (which was REAL necessary for me anyhow) are the ASA basic keel boat book and Colgates off-shore sailing school book. Believe it or not, the off-shore book covers more sailboat basics than the title implies. That's another plus if your prospective M-25 is set up for single-handing with at least the halyards run aft. I consider that most of my sailing is single-handed since the Admiral likes to get a tan when she's on the boat and not mess with those "rope thingies" and that "stick" at the tail end of the boat. When you look at the sails, the fabric should have a "crisp" feel for it. Look for patches and patch tape, seams which are coming apart, and don't be afraid to ask how old the sails are. My Mac came with a working jib, Genoa, and two main sails. I thought: "Wow- it's got a great suite of sails". Well, turns out three of the sails were OEM that came with my boat 21 years ago (Abby's not "old" just "mature") and the spare main is from a Venture 25 so that dates to what the late '70's. The two head sails are still pretty good, but the original main is pretty brittle and prone to tears in high winds, and the spare main is beyond blown out. A new main sail will run anywhere from $425 to close to $1000 depending on the options you want. Jibs and Genoas will run anywhere from $300 to $600- or more. So, don't be afraid to use sail condition to your advantage when purchasing, especially if the sails are long in the tooth.
 
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Annapolis Sailing School

Bill, I took a two day basic keel boat sailing course with the Annapolis Sailing School. They were pretty nice and informative. Now from what I understand most basic keel boat courses are quite similar. To get more confidence, I requested one of the two days to be one on one (instructor and me). On the first day it was four students and the instructor and that was good to get my feet wet, but after that, I really wanted to get a better feel for being able to do everything myself. Everything from tacking and gybing, navigating, reefing my sail, to man-over-board, and on and on... The instructor would let me figure out what I needed to do, if I was doing it wrong, he would stop me, show me what was wrong then let me correct it. It definitely gave me most of my confidence. They have a fleet of 24' Rainbows, a heavy sturdy little sailboat. When I went to my Mac, it was like someone injected a high octane fuel. The Mac's are much lighter than those Rainbows, so I was flying through the Bay just with my Main. As I built up my confidence I got the Jib up and really started to have a blast! Now I'm working on setting up this 150 Genny for next year...can't wait! Good luck to ya! -Sean
 
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J. Barrett

Boat's Afloat

Abby, My boat is wet slipped from April through November. I pull it every winter in an effort to do maintenance and upgrades as time permits. Plus, the creek where the slip is has the potential to freeze over and I don't want to have to worry about the ice. I'm due for a bottom paint this year as I had a couple of stubborn barnacles at the haul out. I'm hoping for a trip to NY and Lake Ontario this summer and maybe a Mac convention further south but generally it's afloat for the season which is why the lazy jacks might be worth having. My main is pretty worn and coming due for replacing. Do the jacks attach to the sail? I know I need at least one set of reef points and would like sail slugs as it is a pain trying to raise the main when the rope bolt gets bound in the sail slot. I have some bills to pay (including the slip rental) but a new main is on the horizon. -John
 
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Sean

Lazy Jack Example

Hey Bill, Here's a good example of a lazy jack setup.. http://www.macgregor-boats.com/stevev/LazyJacks.jpg This is a good source for all sorts of Mac mods... http://www.macgregor-boats.com/sailaway3.html -Sean
 
Jul 7, 2004
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Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
lazy jacks

Sean, I have the Sail Care Sail Cradle you show there. I'm not particularly enthused about it. My wife hates it! I talked to them when I had issues with the setup. Number one, the shockcord kept coming out of the plastic clips. I fixed that by wrapping masking tape around the cord ends before shoving them back in the clips. Number two, the system is only designed for deployment when lowering the mainsail. If you try to use it when leaving the dock with the intention of helping to raise the mainsail you will 1) stretch the shockcord so it becomes loose 2) hang it up on the battens while you hoist. The reason my wife hates it is because of the precarious position it puts you in while you deploy the system. She won't do it, she mutinees every time. You have to work back and forth on the upper deck from one end of the boom to the other to hook the cord on the strapeyes. It's not fun on a windy day when you need it most. I could probably make someone a good deal on my system. I would prefer a setup that stays in place that I could slack off when not in use. Oh and by the way, never support the boom with the Sail Cradle. Always use the topping lift or it will stretch the cord too. :(
 
Jun 8, 2004
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Macgregor 26M Delta, B.C. Canada 26M not X
Are these Lazy enough

Yes, I am looking at lazy jacks too, never thought about them getting hung up raising - just thought about dropping cause I can fix it all up at the slip. Here are two systems that may be copied on a DIY project: http://www.ezjax.com/ http://www.jiffyjax.com/ Any thoughts on these?
 
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Skeeter

jacks

I had a similiar system on my last boat and it worked very well. The key with fixed lazy jacks on my M is to keep them when raising the sail.
 
Dec 15, 2006
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- - MD/DE
Sailing course?

Sean or anyone here in the Annapolis area: Where to take a basic sailing course in the winter - Bahamas?:) Thanks, Bill
 
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Sean

Sailing Course....how about trip to turks & caicos

Bill, This sounds like it would be an interesting course....though possibly a 'crash course'..... :) http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/pviewall.tpl?fno=99&uid=F&sku=2006353071414.50 Now on a different note, winter sailing, I'd love to give it a shot eventually. But the marina I'm at, the entire dry dock gets locked up in the winter. They pack'em in there like sardines! And this past week was like torture not being able to get out there.... -Sean
 
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Merry Christmas to All - Hey Bill...

...sorry I didn't respond sooner, been out of town and no email/web access. The S/V Cousin Larrrry is on the hard at Casa Rio Marina in Edgewater, just off Cadle Creek. It's a nice family operated marina and their prices are reasonable. Happy New Year! -Sean
 
Dec 15, 2006
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- - MD/DE
Thanks Sean

Interestingly enough, I probably saw your boat yesterday as I went to Casa Del Rio to look at a 21' for sale. It is the little sorta green boat sandwiched in between all the big guys. Know anything about this boat? Where did you take your 2 day sailing course? Thanks, Bill
 
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Sean

Bill - "Green Squeeze"

Bill, Yeah, this time of year they block in all the boats in a kind of Tetris style, "cram as many boats as the lot can handle". That's about the only negative, that from November to April most the boats get blocked in. I'm not sure which boat you're talking about, but good luck! I took my lessons with Annapolis Sailing School...good people, but make sure you take charge of what you want to learn, or else it becomes more of a leisurely day sail experience. Ask questions and make sure you're involved. Like I said in an earlier post, on the second day, I requested a private sail as a one on one situation with the instructor, so that really helped me a lot. In April I start looking for crew for the summer months, if by then you haven't found your jewel in the rough, let me know and we'll setup a day out on the bay. ha.*******ya.doin*********@gmail.com(just remove the asterisks and keep the dots) -Sean
 
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