What is my 1884 M25 worth?

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Mar 20, 2012
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Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
I also have a 1984 Mac 25... After 5 years I just have it where I want it. I installed a Furler, put in an A/C unit, got a new outboard, single hand mast raising system, flat screen TV, replaced running rigging, bilge pump, battery charger, recovered the interior cushions, and more.

It has wheel steering, topping lift, shore power, the pop top canvass in great shape and it looks like I am the only one who used it. It looks new and is in great shape too. The problem for me is I now want a bigger boat and it looks like I will have to start over... I just haven't figured out how to make it bigger.

Most of the pricing I see above seems right. I did buy it from Craigs List too. I forgot what I paid but it was probably 3k.


I am also spoiled as I want a water ballasted centerboard or swing keel boat that I can trailer. Or a shoal keel at the very least. There is a lot to said about a 22" draft.


If the Sailboat only had more room...
you are exactly where a lot of sailors are.... and others have been before us. you cant get much more room inside and still be a trailer sailor.... you can absolutely trailer a larger boat, but it becomes way heavier to trailer and the rigging of it is way more complicated and takes longer..... I really liked a catalina 27 I looked at before purchasing my mac 25, but quickly saw it was NOT the boat that was going to be easily and quickly rigged by two people without a mast hoist.....maybe when I get to old to rig and de-rig my 25, I will trade up in size and just keep it moored, but until then I get to trailer it to different bodies of water for long weekend getaways. there is something about exploring new areas that is hard to imagine having to be moored in a marina forever, or at least until we decide to cut the dock line and sail off into the wild blue to parts unknown.
but I am curious if there is anything much bigger and as simple to rig as a mac 26, for being a trailer sailor....
 

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Sep 22, 2006
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Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
I sold my Mac25 a couple of years ago similarly equiped but with spinaker, spin pole, tiller pilot, stereo and gps for $4350. It took 2 weeks while I was on the road to Philly to pick up my C27. This was mid summer, if you can wait for spring you can get a better price.
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
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Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
Mine is perfect(except for the windows) and priceless.

Who can put a price on the years of memories and fun?

We have gotten way more out of her then we ever put into her.
Bandit that dock and shallow channel looks familiar. That's when your glad you have a retractable keel.
 

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Dec 28, 2011
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MacGregor 26D Boston
...but I am curious if there is anything much bigger and as simple to rig as a mac 26, for being a trailer sailor....
There is. The Balboa 27 (from what I can tell) is the roomiest trailer sailor around with 6'1 feet of headroom clearence in the cabin while still being trailerable but not easily and needing deeper water to launch than the Mac (36' mast). It has a weighted swing centerboard (140lbs) that ads to the shallow draft keel for a total of 2600lbs of ballast. She draws approximately 5 ½ feet, and weighs about 6000 lbs in total. Don't confuse the Balboa 27 with the Balboa 26 which is substantially different and a somewhat less roomy boat. More info here: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=644
For a trailer sailor, the 27 has about the best cabin you'll find with lots of room.

Even the Balboa 26 is slightly roomier than our Mac 26C's with 5'6" headroom, and a heavy swing keel (1,200 lbs I believe) that also are prone to fall off.


However, there are several drawbacks to the Balboa 27 & 26
1) Haven't been made since the 80's so they are older now.

2) Company that made them in, Coastal Recreation in Mesa, CA, is out of business and it's hard to get some parts except for the rudder that Ida makes.

3) The Balbo's are famous for losing their weighted swing centerboards without warning. You have to check and double check the keel bolt often. There are few of these Balboa 27's left so once you lose that swing keel, good luck.

4) Go visit the Balboa section of this forum. Compared to here, it's a Ghost town. If you post there, you may never get a reply. We Mac owners don't realize how good we have it with a larger community to help us out.

5) At over 6,000lbs, you need a serious tow vehicle to pull the Balboa 27. Kind of defeats the purpose of a trailer sailor.

6) The 27 suffers from severe weather helm unless you upgrade the sails, get a bigger headsail, & change to the Ida rudder. Big money.

My conclusion is that the Balboa 26 is better than the MacGregor 25 because of much more cabin room and 5'6" head room while having almost the same weakness of the heavy swing keel. But I'd pick the MacGregor 26 over the Balboa 26 because of the tendency of the Balboa to lose their hard to find swing keel. I'd completely disregard the Balboa 27 unless you have the kind of money to buy a dedicated tow vehicle and to make the necessary weather helm upgrades. If you have that kind of money, then the 27 would be an amazing boat.
 
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Jun 24, 2010
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Macgregor 25 Northeast, MD
Buyer changed their mind.

The buyer changed their mind and decide not to buy the boat. So I guess I will just have to keep it and sail it again next year! :dance:
 
Jan 19, 2010
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Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
you are exactly where a lot of sailors are.... and others have been before us. you cant get much more room inside and still be a trailer sailor.... you can absolutely trailer a larger boat, but it becomes way heavier to trailer and the rigging of it is way more complicated and takes longer..... I really liked a catalina 27 I looked at before purchasing my mac 25, but quickly saw it was NOT the boat that was going to be easily and quickly rigged by two people without a mast hoist.....maybe when I get to old to rig and de-rig my 25, I will trade up in size and just keep it moored, but until then I get to trailer it to different bodies of water for long weekend getaways. there is something about exploring new areas that is hard to imagine having to be moored in a marina forever, or at least until we decide to cut the dock line and sail off into the wild blue to parts unknown.
but I am curious if there is anything much bigger and as simple to rig as a mac 26, for being a trailer sailor....
Here is a 32' water ballast sailboat


The designs are available here

http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/cormorant/index.htm

As far as I know only one has been made. The guy has sailed it all over (including the Bahamas). I purchased a set of plans and built a to-scale model. If I had a shop big enough I'd make one. Maybe someday -- after the kids are out of college-- I can hire a shop to make one for me. Very trailerable, the masts are on pivots (counter weight) so they swing up in minutes, unstayed masts with very basic rigs.... sails at 6 kt. I've exchanged a few emails with the guy who made one. He also mentioned the fact that when he has run aground, he just pumps out the tanks and floats off.

It is basically a sharpie with a lee-board instead of a centerboard. So it is fast.
 
Dec 7, 2012
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Kittiwake 23, Irwin 43 .. Indianapolis / indianatown, fl
hello all

i am new to the sailboat ownership. i enjoy reading the posts from Mac owners. it seems to me we value our Mac by the time and fun we spend on them. i bought my Mac25 for $26 at a charity auction. it sat for 3 years in the old owners backyard. hull, deck, mast, boom, harken furler, tiller/rudder, and keel all in great shape. needs a new paint job, and gelcoat patching, and a good overall cleaning. when i put her in my backyard, it was love at 1st site. i know i will be putting some money into her. 1st to make her sail ready, then to make her livable inside. but as i enjoy doing this, i know i will enjoy every bit of it. and how can anyone put a price tag on this. fun, pleasure, excitement, and love are all priceless in your sailboat.

i have to find a main sail, jib sail, genoa sail, blocks, cleats, ropes, and much more just to get her ready to sail. but i am enjoying the looking, comparing, and buying too. then to the fitting of everything, and having a sailing ready sailboat when your done is a great accomplishment for anyone.

you can not ever place a price tag on any of this.

Sincerely
Jess
 
Jun 24, 2010
189
Macgregor 25 Northeast, MD
I decided to keep the boat as I enjoy sailing way to much. So I just bought a 441S GPS and a CDI furler for it. Of course there are always other things I would like to improve on it when time and money permit.
 
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