What gives?

Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
An AC teaching moment, maybe.

I keep one of those little 3 LED test plugs in the 110 volt outlet next to my electrical panel. Primarily, it serves as an AC pilot light but it’s also comforting to know that AC passes a basic test as I’ve encountered some funky marina wiring.

Today, after a lot of work getting into a very difficult slip in the wind, I plugged in shore power looking forward to a shower with good hot water. The tester showed red and green, “Hot Neutral”. I took it out and plugged it into the shore power stand and it showed just one green “Open Neutral”.

I went up to the office and told them they might have a problem. They told me to use the next dock. That was “Open Neutral”. They then offered me an extension cord to reach the dock shack. Just for grins, I checked that standard 3 prong outlet and it was also bad. Every outlet on the dock showed the same.

I went up to the office again and got the proper reading of two greens on an outlet there. They came down and plugged a light bulb into the stand and it lit. They asked what my problem was. I said I couldn’t remember all the ins and outs but was nervous about plugging a boat into a circuit with a bad indication. They called an electrician who showed up much sooner than I would have thought.

He was an old guy and he whipped out a bulb on an adaptor and it lit. He said, “What’s your problem? We’ve got 110 volts. That’s all we care about here.”

I showed him my tester and he said, “Oh, those things were made illegal in 2002. Around salt water you have to have a $70 digital unit that is only good for a year and has a date stamp on it. I don’t even have one, I just borrow one whenever I have to be re-certified. There can’t be anything wrong with the neutral or the bulb wouldn’t light.”

I plugged in. The marina now thinks I’m a nut case. The weird thing is, my tester now reads properly.

I’ve used these things for years and never had a false reading. Could it be flakey? Did all that flipping of breakers and plugging and unplugging jar something in the shore power stand? I’m stumped.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
An AC teaching moment, maybe.

I keep one of those little 3 LED test plugs in the 110 volt outlet next to my electrical panel. Primarily, it serves as an AC pilot light but it’s also comforting to know that AC passes a basic test as I’ve encountered some funky marina wiring.

Today, after a lot of work getting into a very difficult slip in the wind, I plugged in shore power looking forward to a shower with good hot water. The tester showed red and green, “Hot Neutral”. I took it out and plugged it into the shore power stand and it showed just one green “Open Neutral”.

I went up to the office and told them they might have a problem. They told me to use the next dock. That was “Open Neutral”. They then offered me an extension cord to reach the dock shack. Just for grins, I checked that standard 3 prong outlet and it was also bad. Every outlet on the dock showed the same.

I went up to the office again and got the proper reading of two greens on an outlet there. They came down and plugged a light bulb into the stand and it lit. They asked what my problem was. I said I couldn’t remember all the ins and outs but was nervous about plugging a boat into a circuit with a bad indication. They called an electrician who showed up much sooner than I would have thought.

He was an old guy and he whipped out a bulb on an adaptor and it lit. He said, “What’s your problem? We’ve got 110 volts. That’s all we care about here.”

I showed him my tester and he said, “Oh, those things were made illegal in 2002. Around salt water you have to have a $70 digital unit that is only good for a year and has a date stamp on it. I don’t even have one, I just borrow one whenever I have to be re-certified. There can’t be anything wrong with the neutral or the bulb wouldn’t light.”

I plugged in. The marina now thinks I’m a nut case. The weird thing is, my tester now reads properly.

I’ve used these things for years and never had a false reading. Could it be flakey? Did all that flipping of breakers and plugging and unplugging jar something in the shore power stand? I’m stumped.

Roger,

You were fed a bunch of bull feces.. Sounds like a real Darrell & Darrell outfit. Live neutrals can be very dangerous, though less so on a PROPERLY wired boat.... On an improperly wired boat you could shut down the AC single pole breaker and still have LIVE AC on the boat. Lots of boats are miswired as are many marinas. Those $3.00 testers work fine to tell you you have reverse polarity or opens...

This is why AC NEUTRAL is NEVER tied to AC GREEN on-board the vessel unless at a generating source of power such as an inverter or genset. This is also why we use double pole breakers that open both HOT and NEUTRAL. This is also why we bond AC GREEN to DC NEG for dropped or open grounding wires........
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
I just went up and plugged my tester into the outlet on the side of the dock house and it now reads properly.

This makes me think the electrician, who checked out the whole system and told them it was fine just last week (according to him), did something up in the electrical box and is covering up a mistake of some kind.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I just went up and plugged my tester into the outlet on the side of the dock house and it now reads properly.

This makes me think the electrician, who checked out the whole system and told them it was fine just last week (according to him), did something up in the electrical box and is covering up a mistake of some kind.
Sounds like it..
 
May 24, 2004
7,173
CC 30 South Florida
If they were so sure their circuits were good I wonder why did they decide to call the electrician, and how come did he show up so quickly. It seems to me that they may have a recurring problem and choose to employ quick fixes as problem are reported instead of a more costly overhaul or replacement. They deny any knowledge to patrons to mask their conduct and minimize liability. I don't think they think of you as a nut case but more than likely as a knowleadgeable person that could land them in hot water.
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
I don't think they think of you as a nut case but more than likely as a knowleadgeable person that could land them in hot water.
All the more reason they will treat me like a nut case.

It all makes me wonder how much stray current is running around. At least there are no boats near me and they moved the steel dredging barge with it's big generator far down to work on some other slips. At least my tester reads normally now.

I looked into moving but the alternative is a lot more expensive and the dockmaster there didn't come in before the wind got strong enough that I don't feel like trying to get out of this tight slip.
 
Dec 13, 2010
123
Hake 32RK Red Bank
All a light bulb needs is a hot wire and neutral to light. If they have switched the neutral and hot wires at their breaker panel you could get the light to light but that does not mean its wired properly. The Neutral wire- white in US is supposed to be a grounded wire and the black wire (or Red in case they run a 4 wire supply to split load) should be hot. And of course green is seperately grounded at pedestal. Anything else is a potential hazard as suggested earlier. That is why I use an isolation transformer with reverse polarity protection. Cheap insurance against such unjnowledgeable "electricians"
 
Feb 26, 2008
603
Catalina 30 Marathon, FL
All the more reason they will treat me like a nut case.

It all makes me wonder how much stray current is running around. At least there are no boats near me and they moved the steel dredging barge with it's big generator far down to work on some other slips. At least my tester reads normally now.

I looked into moving but the alternative is a lot more expensive and the dockmaster there didn't come in before the wind got strong enough that I don't feel like trying to get out of this tight slip.
Roger,
How much is a good night's sleep worth?

We just moved from a marina that we really liked and where we had some good friends because of serious electrical issues after Sandy. The marina owner wasn't addressing the problem because "money is tight".

Sometimes Larry, Darrel and Darrel run a good little marina. Sometimes they're downright dangerous...

Jim
 
Jun 11, 2011
1,243
Hunter 41 Lewes
All a light bulb needs is a hot wire and neutral to light. If they have switched the neutral and hot wires at their breaker panel you could get the light to light but that does not mean its wired properly. The Neutral wire- white in US is supposed to be a grounded wire and the black wire (or Red in case they run a 4 wire supply to split load) should be hot. And of course green is seperately grounded at pedestal. Anything else is a potential hazard as suggested earlier. That is why I use an isolation transformer with reverse polarity protection. Cheap insurance against such unjnowledgeable "electricians"
Neutral is a current carrying return. Ground is a safety to allow fault current to trip a breaker or blow a fuse. A light bulb will light between Hot and Ground also. It will also light between two Grounds if they are of a different potential, which by the way can happen when using isolation transformers. any single phase device that runs on AC does not care which wire is Hot and which is the Return, providing there is proper voltage and current. The Neutral wire is only bonded to ground, at the origin of a new service only, so that the light bulb won't light between Neutral and Ground.
 
Jun 11, 2011
1,243
Hunter 41 Lewes
An AC teaching moment, maybe.

I keep one of those little 3 LED test plugs in the 110 volt outlet next to my electrical panel. Primarily, it serves as an AC pilot light but it’s also comforting to know that AC passes a basic test as I’ve encountered some funky marina wiring.

Today, after a lot of work getting into a very difficult slip in the wind, I plugged in shore power looking forward to a shower with good hot water. The tester showed red and green, “Hot Neutral”. I took it out and plugged it into the shore power stand and it showed just one green “Open Neutral”.

I went up to the office and told them they might have a problem. They told me to use the next dock. That was “Open Neutral”. They then offered me an extension cord to reach the dock shack. Just for grins, I checked that standard 3 prong outlet and it was also bad. Every outlet on the dock showed the same.

I went up to the office again and got the proper reading of two greens on an outlet there. They came down and plugged a light bulb into the stand and it lit. They asked what my problem was. I said I couldn’t remember all the ins and outs but was nervous about plugging a boat into a circuit with a bad indication. They called an electrician who showed up much sooner than I would have thought.

He was an old guy and he whipped out a bulb on an adaptor and it lit. He said, “What’s your problem? We’ve got 110 volts. That’s all we care about here.”
His Adaptor is illegal.

I showed him my tester and he said, “Oh, those things were made illegal in 2002. Around salt water you have to have a $70 digital unit that is only good for a year and has a date stamp on it. I don’t even have one, I just borrow one whenever I have to be re-certified. There can’t be anything wrong with the neutral or the bulb wouldn’t light.”
This is utter BS. Your tester is perfectly valid. An LED might burn out eventually but after never finding a good outlet you seem smart enough to figure that out on your own.

I plugged in. The marina now thinks I’m a nut case. The weird thing is, my tester now reads properly.

I’ve used these things for years and never had a false reading. Could it be flakey? Did all that flipping of breakers and plugging and unplugging jar something in the shore power stand? I’m stumped.
You'll probably never know what happened but I'm sure the Smart A electrician fixed something.
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
That surprised me. I haven't stayed there but I've heard they have a pretty good rep...
I think they are probably as much the victim as anyone. They just need a new electrician. It's a very friendly place. How many marinas include a bottle of wine in their welcome bag? Yeah, it's Cranberry but surprisingly drinkable.