What does "Tender" mean in sail boat handling

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Jun 25, 2009
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2 22 Long Point Marina, Earlville, MD
Forgive my ignorance, being a new sailor. I've read reviews that mention a boat is "tender" on a certain tack, or when getting under way. What specific handling characteristic or lack thereof is being referred to?
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Jun 7, 2004
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Schock 35 Seattle
A "stiff" boat is one that resists healing. A "tender" boat is the opposite--It will tend to heal easily, usually to some point where it hardens up. Stiffness is a function of hull shape, location of the center of gravity, beam, and especially weight and location of the keel.
 
Nov 23, 2009
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Pearson 33 Mt Vernon, MD
Not really sure I can offer you a good explanation about what a "tender" sailing characteristic is. I do know that in many cases a sailor often refers to his boat in the same terms he might use while speaking of a woman....This thread could get real interresting..
 
Jun 8, 2004
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Pearson 26W Marblehead
What does tender mean

Lets simplify things: A tender boat is one that heels easily. A stiff boat is one that resists healing. Most tender boats will heel easily to a point before they eventually stiffen up. Your older designed CCA boats had long keels and short waterlines They were designed to be tender and pick up waterline as they heeled over. This type of boat sails with a lot of heel in moderate breezes.
 
Nov 22, 2008
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Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
You can have form stability and dynamic stability. A large flat bottom boat will have form stability but when tipped past a certain point will had no dynamic stability and will capsize.
Ross, do future searchers for stability questions a favor and just delete this post. Dynamic stability has nothing whatever to do with what you talking about and this is a complete mishmash.
 
Nov 22, 2008
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Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
"Tender" is a subjective term that generally means a boat heels more than the operator would like. The most proper use of the term is when a vessel heels enough to compromise steering and handling when carrying enough sail to provide the power necessary to make progress to windward. This would be a design defect.

It can also mean a boat like mine that likes to sail to windward at a generous heel angle but has the power and control to do so competently.

The business of boats appearing to heel easily to a certain angle and then stop is not a function of hull form. The ability to resist heeling increases at a nearly constant rate until the deck edge goes under and then the rate of increase drops off. At some point, the ability to resist wind force will start to decrease. What people are observing is the fact that the ability of the wind to heel the vessel drops off as the vessel heels since less sail area is exposed to the wind.

You would probably enjoy reading this and the chapter on heeling arm curves (sometimes called "Wind heel curves") discusses these effects:

http://www.rogerlongboats.com/Stability.htm

There is also a discussion here of what "Dynamic Stability" actually is.
 

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Roger, Apparently I have been reading text written by folk quoting others no more knowledgeable than themselves. Thank you for the correction.
 

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Tender boats are not bad. Francis Chischester circumnavigated in a very tender yacht that would almost put her rail down at the mooring. Tender does mean one will have to spend more time at large angles of heel. Many tender boats are fabulous sailing boats providing helm feedback that can't be beat.
 
Dec 4, 2008
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Other people's boats - Milford, CT
Roger Long;704010 [URL said:
http://www.rogerlongboats.com/Stability.htm[/URL]

There is also a discussion here of what "Dynamic Stability" actually is.
Could you point out the "Dynamic Stability" section ? I couldn't really find it.

I know what dynamic stability is from an aero engineering prospective ( I am one ), but I am not sure if naval architecture/engineering uses the term differently.

Thanks
Todd
 
Nov 22, 2008
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Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
Could you point out the "Dynamic Stability" section ? I couldn't really find it.
It's not discussed directly because it isn't used much in naval architecture. About the only place it appears is in the USCG stability regulations for sailing vessels. Look in the section "Coast Guard Foolishness". It's just mentioned briefly.

Dynamic behavior can be observed in power vessels and, to some extent, sailing vessels under bare poles but sails create so much damping that there isn't much worth knowing about the concept.
 
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