What boat should I buy

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Kgatesma

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Jul 30, 2017
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Hunter 35.5 Chicago
Leaving a 35’ Hunter Legend. I loved it. Faster than a lot of boats and great for taller people. It didn’t go down wind well. But otherwise was terrific.

I need room in the cockpit for 8. I'd like to go faster, but I don't want a cockpit traveler. I'm a captain, I'll charter the boat from time to time.

It's a 35-40 foot racer/cruiser, faster than average, for tall people, under $60,000. The interior needs to be nice.

What boats should I consider?
 
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Jackdaw

Jackdaw

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Nov 8, 2010
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Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Beneteau First 38. 6-5 of headroom, fast fast fast on all points if sail and capable of going around the world.
 
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Michael Davis

Michael Davis

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Jan 5, 2017
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Beneteau First 38 Lyall Harbour Saturna Island
That's a good price. Looks like a good inventory of sails etc. I'm sure happy with mine. My Grandsons (6'4") don't bump their heads. If it's as good as it looks!?
 
Don S/V ILLusion

Don S/V ILLusion

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Sep 25, 2008
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Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Invariably, people will suggest bots with which they are familiar or own (pride of ownership).

Th best thing you can do is come up with a list of what is important to you,not me or what someone else owns. Big cockpit? Center cockpit? Flat bottom speed or displacement shape? Speed or stability (often mutually exclusive)?
 
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Will Gilmore

Will Gilmore

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Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day Mariner 19 Littleton, NH
Don S/V ILLusion said:
Speed or stability (often mutually exclusive)?
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Is that really true? What's that all about? New faster monohulls seem to be getting wider (stable, if not self-righting). Added deep ballast makes for more stability and a stiffer foil angle for improved efficiency. I don't know, but that's the impression I have.

-Will (Dragonfly)
 
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Kgatesma

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Jul 30, 2017
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Hunter 35.5 Chicago
Not too interested in a boat with a cockpit traveler. I need more cruiser in my racer/cruiser, with room for 8,
 
Jackdaw

Jackdaw

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Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Kgatesma said:
Not too interested in a boat with a cockpit traveler. I need more cruiser in my racer/cruiser, with room for 8,
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That's understandable. Your Legend must fit the bill pretty well. More performance comes at a cost; generally narrower more slippery hull, lighter weight/less comfort gear, performance sail controls etc.
 
Jackdaw

Jackdaw

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Nov 8, 2010
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Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Will Gilmore said:
Is that really true? What's that all about? New faster monohulls seem to be getting wider (stable, if not self-righting). Added deep ballast makes for more stability and a stiffer foil angle for improved efficiency. I don't know, but that's the impression I have.

-Will (Dragonfly)
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'Self Righting' is a grossly miss-used and miss-understood term in the context of displacement monohulls. ALL monohulls will happily sit inverted forever in flat water.

The GZ curve, which measures stability and righting will always show an area where the boat wants to sit upside down. Generally, the beamier the boat the larger this area is, but its typically around 25 degrees from 180 (upside down). In real life it takes a wave to roll it back over... but much smaller than the wave need to roll it in the first place.

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Kgatesma

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Jul 30, 2017
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Hunter 35.5 Chicago
What about Catalinas? There seem to be a lot in Chicago. Tartans look too racy. I see a lot of Erickson’s too.

I have a sailboat that capsizes. The big one probably won’t.
 
Will Gilmore

Will Gilmore

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Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day Mariner 19 Littleton, NH
Jackdaw said:
ALL monohulls will happily sit inverted forever in flat water.
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Thanks Jackdaw, that's great information, but I was curious about the relationship between speed and stability. I don't see the correlation.

-Will (Dragonfly)
 
Jackdaw

Jackdaw

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Nov 8, 2010
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Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Will Gilmore said:
Thanks Jackdaw, that's great information, but I was curious about the relationship between speed and stability. I don't see the correlation.
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What Don said used to be true in yacht design, and actually is in the majority of yachts in existence today. With conventional yacht displacement hulls, the best and most straightforward way to get more 'speed' was to increase the SA/D (sail area to displacement) ratio. This created 'tender' boats that were faster at getting to hull speed, but often needed crew on the rail to keep them upright, or be reefed much sooner. Race boat SA/D ratios traditionally start at 20 and most cruisers are like 16. Higher obviously 'faster'.

More modern designs often use beam to create much more initial stability, and innovations like lightweight construction and lifting keels to put the majority of the ballast 10 feet under the hull. This creates cruising boats like the Pogo 12.5, a 40 footer that a couple can easily sail at 15 knots. While it has a SA/D ratio of 35 it is immensely stable. And fast.
 
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Gunni

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
You describe a 40 to 45 foot 10 year old French cruising boat, but you won’t get that for $60k. The smaller Hunters have a tub-shaped cockpit that while snug, is a bit cramped for more than 4 people.
 
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Kgatesma

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Jul 30, 2017
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Hunter 35.5 Chicago
Looking at a 2002 Beneteau first 36.7, bit over budget but newer and probably more fun than plan. Also a 1989 Hunter Legend 37.5.

Both have cockpit travelers which I’m not too fond of.
 
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Jackdaw

Jackdaw

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Nov 8, 2010
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Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Kgatesma said:
Looking at a 2002 Beneteau first 36.7, bit over budget but newer and probably more fun than plan. Also a 1989 Hunter Legend 37.5.

Both have cockpit travelers which I’m not too fond of.
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The 367 would open a whole new world in performance cruising for you. We would ‘beat’ boats by hours to anchorages.
 
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Apex

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Jun 19, 2013
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C&C 30 Elk Rapids
cockpit travelers, and end of boom sheeting provides better options for sail trim....Embrace the location and it may not be as bothersome?
My current traveler is on the bridgedeck, just aft the companionway. Gives me something to grab coming up and out, easy to grab for controlling the jibe, and provides great leverage on the mainsail.
 
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