what boat should i buy? PART#3 the purchase!

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Ctskip

Ctskip

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Why can't one compare a boat in Texas to one in Canada? Now you've got me wondering? With the same year and same make and model. I've seen some pretty nice Catalinas and some not so pretty ones. What makes Canada any differant when comparing a Catalina in France to one in Canada? Or Texas to Canada? Comparing the same boats with each other, no matter where they sit, is all the same. Please can you explain why it cant be done? Are the anchors gold plated in Canada or something? Isn't varnish, varnish up in Canada

You say:
"A simple search on YW doesn't mean SH!T, cant compare a $13K one that is in the middle of Texas to one in Ontario!"

If that ain't a crock of crap, I don't know what is. YW is just finding the boat for you, not pricing it either, not dressing it up or shining the brass. A $13,000 boat is a $13,000 boat be it in NJ or Calif.
Maybe it has to do with the money exchange in Canada, as to why a $13,000 boat in Texas is a $31,000 boat in Canada. What other explanation could there be? Can you enlighten us?
Keep it up,
Ctskip
 
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sailorKevan

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Jul 21, 2008
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Still looking! - Beach Blvd. Hamilton, On.
jimq26 your familiar with this boat you say

if so what do you know about it. Also your freind that is a surveyor in hamilton, is he available for an independant survey. I just don't know where the surveyor will come from. The broker mentioned that he has a list available but the broker is also making a percentage of the final sale so the more it sells for the more he pockets!
 
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John

My mistakes

Kevan:

We bought our first boat a little over two years ago. Here are a couple of mistakes I made:

First and foremost, I just figured that since I was going to have it surveyed and since I knew little or nothing, I'd just leave it up to the surveyor to find the problems. That was a big mistake. The surveyor did a slap-dash job. For instance, he missed a rotted out throttle cable that was easy to find had he just looked in the right place. If I'd have looked in all the nooks and crannies, I'd have found it myself.

Another mistake was not asking to see a maintenance schedule. I don't think he had one, but this in itself would have told me something. In our second (and present) boat, had I thought to ask for that, I'd have found that the batteries hadn't been filled in a long time. I had to replace them shortly after we got the boat because they died, I think due to being so low on water.

Overall, though, I was happy with the boat and it was a platform to move up to bigger and better things. But my main lesson was that there are lots of things that even somebody who doesn't even rank as a novice can spot... if they only look. I'd have bought the boat anyway, but I think I could have gotten a little reduction in the price.
 
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CalebD

SailorKevan, you must be Quebecquoise as your written english sucks

Yet you seem to get more than your fair share of help from everyone here, and it is good advice. These people are intent on helping you and I can assure you that no one is fooling you.
So, WTF, buy the Canadian Seacraft 27' boat already and please, put us out of your misery! If you have the money to buy it you probably have the money to maintain it and pay for all the extras that boats require, so please just do it. Your Gallic sensibility shines right through all your posts: it's all about me.
Don't get me wrong though, I wish you the best and I do think that a CS 27' is a better built boat than a Catalina of the same size, and even my ancient 1967 Tartan 27', but that is just me.
My current advice is to put your money where your mouth is and just do it and ask too many questions later.
All the people on this forum want to give you the best advice that they can but have you ever heard the fable about the Dutch boy with his finger in the Dyke?
Start learning by doing and step away from the internet for a while and get sailing. You will never know if you actually like it or not until you actually do it.
I wish you well.
Bon chances.
"Oh Canada..."
 
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sailorKevan

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OH i like it and im taking the internet with me! and im not french

but nice try there NY
 
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CalebD

SailorKevan, then where did you learn your written grammar from?

Your written inglish gets the point across - but will the internet follow you out to sea? I hope you have a long cable to supply you with internet or SSB or Satphone or whatever.
Good luck. I hope you get the CS 27' as it is a very good boat (if it is in good condition).
Je m'en fiche de toi!
L'aissez le bon temps roulez?
Va tu faire foutre!
Ferme la bouche.

Action is required at this point, not more hair splitting.
All the best.
 
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Rob Hessenius

Caleb

Caleb~
I dont disagree with your posts, but take a big breath and relax, you will live longer :)
 
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sailorKevan

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Jul 21, 2008
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Still looking! - Beach Blvd. Hamilton, On.
before i do anything here in hamilton

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatDetails.jsp?&units=Feet&currency=USD&ro=27&r=1927979&rs=yachtworld.com&rt=Cruiser, Cruiser/Racer, Racer&boat_id=1927979&checked_boats=1927979&toPrice=50000&Ntk=boatsEN&type=%28Sail%29&hmid=0&sm=3&enid=0&luom=126&cit=true&toLength=36&currencyid=100&boatsAddedSelected=-1&fromLength=22&fromPrice=15000&ftid=0&slim=quick&spid=208&N=4294910506
 
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jimq26

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Kevan - I sent you a private email re surveyors.

I don't want to speak over an open forum.
 
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Ralph

One thing to check

Kevan,

One thing that was not right on my CS27 when I bought it was that the holding tank in the V-berth would not completely empty during the pump out. The design of the tank was that the external pump out hose to the deck went only 2/3 of the way down the side of tank and then an internal hose went from there to the bottom of the tank. This internal hose had rotted away. And there wasn't anyway to get a new hose on there, since the access hole was too small. So my advice is to make sure that pumping out the holding tank empties the tank.

Ralph
 
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Steve W (NY)

Comparing boats from different places....

CTsp, I see what you are saying, but this might be an explanation:

I think local market conditions on something as expensive as a sailboat becomes important. Taking a week off to haul a boat from texas to Ontario and adding the expenses wold eat up quite a bit of cash. It's not that unlike housing. I know a retired guy who bought a boat cheap in Michigan and took it to Florida via the Erie Canal. But it was a 20,000 dollar trip to me in time off and expenses. I don't know how many times I've seen boats for sale that I'd love at the price they were selling, but they were deal breakers because of long distance surveys, time and travel expenses. Bottom line is local boats that are more expensive often aren't. And it does tick me off when somebody brings up something in east Peoria as a comparison to something I'm selling. I say "go get it then!". I think sometimes people don't take the time to figure out their own wages.

Take Care,
Steve
 
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Tom S

What about prices of Year Round Southern Boats

versus short season Northern boats. I usually see a delta in price between these two types of boats after the boat is a few years old (5-10+ years) A boat from New Hampshire thats sailed only 4 months a year (from June to Sept) vs a boat that is in the water year round will usually look a lot newer, especially after about 10 years. (all things being equal - of course maintenance is everything and should be the overriding factor)
 
Ctskip

Ctskip

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So it's not that that the item is any

different/better. It's just like selling a heater in Alaska. Or generators after a flood. It's what the market will bear. I, unfortunately, have more time than money, hoping to run out of both at the same time, am willing to travel to purchase something. Having lived in Oklahoma and finding a motorcycle in NY at a reasonable price, I trailered up and went on a road trip. Just like buying a boat in Texas then transporting it to Ok and now I'm back in Texas having it transported back. Being from Connecticut, not realizing just how big Texas really is. It's a consideration in the cost of the vessel. I can appreciate that. For me, taking the time to investigate a vessel that I'm interested in, is half the fun. The other half is owning it and enjoying it. Thanks
Keep it up,
Ctskip
 
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sailorKevan

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Jul 21, 2008
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Still looking! - Beach Blvd. Hamilton, On.
well boys, wish me luck

i am armed with a few notes, a clearer head, my checkbook and my camera! I am going shortly to re-check the boat one more time then hopefully i will be putting in an offer. Ill let you know how it goes-kevan
 
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Scott

How'd it go Kevan???

Do you own a boat by now?

More on the topic of local boat prices ... I think the simple law of supply and demand could make a significant difference in local used boat prices and I'll bet that in Canada it makes an even larger difference. Also, I've heard that many people prefer to buy a fresh water boat (and pay a higher price for it), even if they intend to relocate her to salt water, simply because maintenance is far simpler in fresh water, and boats tend to be in better condition because of it.

Also, I think there is a lot to be said for the argument that a northern boat will have far less usage, and be pampered far more, due to the downtime.
 
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