what are you talking about?

Mar 2, 2008
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Cal 25 mk II T-Bird Marina, West Vancouver
Why do you wast our time asking stupid questions that every sailor knows or should know the answers. All of this is easily found on Wiki. I know they say there is no such thing as a stupid question only a stupid answer. But if you have a computer with Internet the world is your oyster.
 
Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day Mariner 19 Littleton, NH
Hull Speed is not theoretical, as many people believe, it's a definition.

As a displacement boat moves through the water, the bow pushed the water out of the way, both to the side and ahead. Since water is practically incompressable, this causes the water to pile up at the bow. As a boat moves through the water, it also leaves a hole where the stern use to be, this causes a building of a pressure difference between that area and the surrounding area, but especially between bow and stern.

As the water pressure seeks to equalize, it rushes around the hull, like moving through a restriction in a pipe. Thus, it forms ripples as the hull continues to move. Each wake crest is a high pressure and each trough is a low. The water at the high is moving almost with the hull, then rushes astern to get back to fill the lows created behind. The water moving through the trough is move in reverse of the hull's movement.

There is a frequency, in this wave making, that is consistent, based on weight and viscosity of the fluid. Therefore, as the hull moves faster through the water, the wavelength gets longer to maintain that frequency. Once the hull reaches the point where the wave length and the hull length are equal, the boat is balanced in its wake. After that, the faster the boat goes, the wavelength continues to extend because of the law of conservation represented by Bernoulli's equation. Volume going in equals volume coming out. Because you can, again, think of the hull as a length of pipe of various diameters.

When the wavelength is longer than the hull, to go faster requires part of the energy moving the boat to drive her up hill onto the bow wake (submarines go faster under water because they aren't fighting gravity). You can cheat it a little by moving the center of gravity aft, but since this tends to lift the bow out of the water, it could also effectively shorten the waterline. That's why you see power boats riding bow high at such slow speeds until the weght over balances across the crest and they level out in a plane.

One of the goals of a designer is to flatten out that wave by either making the hull shoal drafted or skinny or both. This decreases the volumetric movement of water resulting in a lower amplitude and an easier bow wave to climb. Fat deep heavy boats won't plane, light flat bottomed skinny boats will plane easier.

Of course the hull shape changes as a sailboat heels and this changes the waterline length but the dynamics that defines hull speed is the same.

- Will (Dragonfly)
 
May 25, 2012
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john alden caravelle 42 sturgeon bay, wis
the name head come from a time when the crew climbed over the rail and stood on the rigging for the bow sprit. where, while doing their business the would be next to the, and looking at, figurehead on the bow. if the ship headed into the wind you were peeing in the wind

good enough?
 
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JamesG161

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Feb 14, 2014
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Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
hull speed?
Is what you asked!
Not the estimated and simplified general standing wave Fluid Dynamics formula.
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Hull Speed is not theoretical, as many people believe, it's a definition.
Almost right. ;) It is not a definition, but a simplified formula [math model] from Fluid Dynamics that has been applied in general boating.
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There is a frequency, in this wave making, that is consistent, based on weight and viscosity of the fluid.
And shape factors of the hull exposed to the fluid.

Unfortunately a sailboat is moving through TWO FLUIDS. Air and water.
Thus with "tongue in cheek" I asked....

On what heel angle [hull shape]? What is the sea state[ hull exposure]? What is the water temperature [Viscosity of water]? Are you in 20 knot winds off the beam [ distortion of standing waves]?:hook2:
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BTW, If you use the simplified estimate, lets say it is 7 knots for example,

Does your boat move in a current of bow opposing 7 knot river flow?:confused:

Jim....

PS: My boat model has been proven to make 12 knots VMG in 20 foot seas.
 
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jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Jim. I think it is the bendy one.
 
Dec 2, 1997
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- - LIttle Rock
It was the defined as the amount of wine a ship could carry. It comes from the word Tun which was a caste of wine.
Correct...except I think you meant CASK of wine.

A bit of additional trivia: Rummage was the manner in which the wine casks were stored in the hold of the ship and came to refer to the whole ship's cargo. after a voyage any unclaimed and damaged cargo was stacked on the dock beside the boat and offered for sale - a rummage sale.
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,944
- - LIttle Rock
the name head come from a time when the crew climbed over the rail and stood on the rigging for the bow sprit. where, while doing their business the would be next to the, and looking at, figurehead on the bow. if the ship headed into the wind you were peeing in the wind.
good enough?
Close enough. I'll test y'all's trivia knowledge a bit further... On what ship was the first flushing marine toilet installed?
 
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