Weight of Vega

Sep 15, 2003
16
Can anybody advise me the actual weight of the Vega
and does anybody know of a second hand trailer to suit the Vega

I have got a logistics problem, my boat is in the South of France, I
am in Australia and it seems the only feasible way to get it here is
put it on a trailer take it to Le Harvre and put it on a RO/RO boat.
Or of course sail it here, any offers!!
Chris Rees Vega339
Melbourne
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
Hi Chris

We usually work on a weight of about three (3) ton for the overall weight of the Vega. There are trailers that various people have made for their Vegas and these have varied in price between £500 - £3000

Good hunting aqnd good luck. As you say you could always sail her! Two have sailed from the UK to Australia and one of them is now in Surfers Paradise on the East Coast of Autralia (Owned by a very nice young lady called Amanda – Mesina is the Vega name).

Regards

Steve B
 

mocap1

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Oct 31, 2019
96
I would have thought 5,000 lbs for the Vega and 1,500 for the trailer would have been conservative. However, I believe ocean shipment is based on cubic volume; maximum height x width x depth; i.e. the cubic envelope into which the item will fit. Air shipment is based on weight.

Mort
 
Mar 28, 2011
261
Mort, you are right about ocean shipment being based on cubic volume. I had Cin Cin shipped from Cape Caneveral, FL to Vlissingen, Netherlands last year, and that is what the shipping charges were based on. In order to reduce the height of the boat, and the corresponding costs, the mast was laid alongside the boat, at the shippers suggestion, and if memory serves me correctly, the height was figured at 12 feet.

Frank Gallardo Jr, V-2184, Cin Cin

"Morton L. Caplan" MortonCaplan@... wrote:
 

mocap1

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Oct 31, 2019
96
Frank, I believe 12' is correct. I measured The height of the pulpit from the ground with the boat on its trailer before I towed it to Nova Scotia.

I am thinking about shipping my St. Pierre dory, which is as long and wide as the Vega, but only about 8' high on the trailer, to the Netherlands and traveling from the North Sea to the Black Sea via the Rhine, Main and Danube Rivers. How much did it cost you to ship the Vega?

As an alternative, to minimize costs, including shipping,I am considering making the trip in an 18' x 43" strip planked, expedition type canoe which will do about six knots with a three horsepower engine, and get 15-20 miles to the gallon. I would leave the canoe there when I was finished.

The dory would be much more comfortable, in that it has a cabin, head, etc, but the trip probably wouldn't be as much of an adventure.

Do you think it would be more practical to buy a small boat in the Netherlands rather than shipping something from here?

Mort
 
Mar 28, 2011
261
Sounds like fun, and an adventure for sure considering you will be going down the Danube from Germany, through Austria, the Slovak Republic, Hungary, Serbia (problematic??), and Bulgaria. After getting several bids, I settled on the bottom line (cheapest) $4,500. The shocker came, when Dutch customs would not release the boat until the VAT, value added tax was paid. Cin Cin was first sold in Germany and the VAT was paid then, but I had no way of proving it (I presently have two lawyers, one in Berlin, Germany and the other in Amsterdam trying to get my money back - however I have pretty much resigned myself to having lost the case). The VAT levied will be based on the boats value, so of course I quoted a low USA resale value, and showed them some for sale ads from Florida, they would'nt buy it, and quoted a price that almost doubled it. Then one of them decided to check the internet for local selling prices, and that was that!! Incidentally Dutch VAT is 19%. It is different for different countries, i.e. Germany and Spain 16%, UK 17.5, Sweden 25%, France 19.6. It was the only sour note on an otherwise wonderful time through the Netherlands and Germany, except for diesel costs, everything else so far is much cheaper than Florida, i.e. I averaged between $5.00 and $8.00 per night in marinas. If you decide to purchase here, boats are generally more expensive, and if you decide, I can probably find some on-line sites for you, to give you an idea. You might also need an ICC, International Certificate of Competency in some countries, to show that you are a competent sailor. Some sort of license will probably be accepted. More info can be found at www.rya.co.uk If I can be of any further help, let me know.
Frank Gallardo Jr, V-2184, Cin Cin"Morton L. Caplan" MortonCaplan@... wrote:
 
Oct 30, 2019
11
Dear Frank,
I live in the Netherlands and VAT payments on boats has
been in the press recently. However, one of the things that came out
of all the discussions was that a boat is only liable for VAT if it
was first sold after 1985. A boat older than this is not liable. Does
this apply to your Vega? You will, of course, have to prove the age
of the boat and when it was first sold but I thought that Vega
production finished before 1985. Maybe the Vega Associations can help
you in this. http://www.albinvega.com/
The Dutch Vega club Kring van Vegazeilers may also be able to
help you with regard to VAT rules and regs here in the Netherlands.

I hope this helps,

Regards,

Martin Chaplin.
 
Mar 28, 2011
261
Martin, that sounds like good news. Cin Cin was registered in the Deutsche Segler Verein in 1974 in Luebeck. And I have the name of one of the previous owners and telephone number, unfortunatly he no longer has any of the "paper-work" that came with the boat or proof of paying the VAT. Cin Cin was built in 1973 and first sold in Germany , and a new boat cannot be sold here without paying the VAT. The logic of this argument seems to escape the customs people. They want to see the proof. I purchased her in Berlin in 1981, and as a used boat the VAT was not required to be paid. I think contacting the vegazeilers might be a good idea. I read somewhere that if I could prove that Cin Cin was in EU waters AFTER 1992 I could avoid the VAT, however I shipped her to the states in 1985, well so much for that loophole. Thanks for the info. Frank

"martin chaplin" martinchaplin@... wrote:
 
Nov 8, 2001
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Hi All

Franks Vega was built in 1977 or 1978 so he shouldnt have a problem. In the UK
we provide an Associiation Letter stating where the Vega was built and first
sold and this seems to be acceptable for the UK Customs people (probably the
pickiest in the world!).

Steve B

At 07:02 13/10/03 +0000, you wrote:
 
Mar 28, 2011
261
Steve,
Now I am really depressed !! I should have shipped Cin Cin to the UK. :)
Live and learn-however an expensive way to learn. Thank you and Diana for the $$$, however it was too much. I am returning the balance. See you in Sweden.
Frank G.

Stephen Birch steve@... wrote:
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
Hi Frank

Keep the balance until Sweden, you can buy me a whole host of beers!!!

See ya and good sailing

Steve B

At 08:16 18/10/03 -0400, you wrote: