We can't forget to say thank you to our Vets!
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Phil, This one is just for you. You have earned it
you are deserving of it and you benefit from the convictions of giants who have gone before you. Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take but as for me; give me liberty or give me death! Patrick Henry US orator, patriot, & politician in American Revolution (1736 - 1799)
you are deserving of it and you benefit from the convictions of giants who have gone before you. Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take but as for me; give me liberty or give me death! Patrick Henry US orator, patriot, & politician in American Revolution (1736 - 1799)
Some times you have to use the big stick...
or else they forget you have one. Its hard to hide under a rock, when you are bigger than the rock. My daddy said that when he was frustrated with all these third world countries in the UN always picking on Americans and the USA.
or else they forget you have one. Its hard to hide under a rock, when you are bigger than the rock. My daddy said that when he was frustrated with all these third world countries in the UN always picking on Americans and the USA.
WWII we dealt with the Japanese.
The Japanese went to war giving their lives. (God Bless them) Our service men had to deal with a people that came with a conviction to kill themselves because giving up was not an option and they were told to win. Our guys (praise God) prevailed. Theirs was a cause to protect themselves and the homeland. We are dealing with another enemy. They would also give their lives to cause havoc. Look at Israel. They deal with havoc daily. We do not. It is because we have men that fight here and there to make sure it doesn't. We have wise men that know or have a good idea of what we are dealing with. Somehow, 911 happened. In one hit, it wiped out more Americans and many from other countries, than a years worth of damage in Israel. I am glad we are pursuing and not sitting on our cans. Our guys signed on. Why? My guess is they understand that if we don't fight for our freedom to sail,just keeping the thread legit, that we here will live in fear of the next situation. I think most people do not understand the protective measures that our country takes to keep us living like we do. Don't be naive, for now, we are in need of not only protecting our country, we need to make friends and make sure they are safe also. There are peace lovers and peace makers. Peace makers will fight for what is right. Peace lovers enjoy the fruit of what the peace makers do. Look at the French in WWII. thanks for the fruits Vets! You deserve acknowledgement! r.w.landau
The Japanese went to war giving their lives. (God Bless them) Our service men had to deal with a people that came with a conviction to kill themselves because giving up was not an option and they were told to win. Our guys (praise God) prevailed. Theirs was a cause to protect themselves and the homeland. We are dealing with another enemy. They would also give their lives to cause havoc. Look at Israel. They deal with havoc daily. We do not. It is because we have men that fight here and there to make sure it doesn't. We have wise men that know or have a good idea of what we are dealing with. Somehow, 911 happened. In one hit, it wiped out more Americans and many from other countries, than a years worth of damage in Israel. I am glad we are pursuing and not sitting on our cans. Our guys signed on. Why? My guess is they understand that if we don't fight for our freedom to sail,just keeping the thread legit, that we here will live in fear of the next situation. I think most people do not understand the protective measures that our country takes to keep us living like we do. Don't be naive, for now, we are in need of not only protecting our country, we need to make friends and make sure they are safe also. There are peace lovers and peace makers. Peace makers will fight for what is right. Peace lovers enjoy the fruit of what the peace makers do. Look at the French in WWII. thanks for the fruits Vets! You deserve acknowledgement! r.w.landau
Peace - a little "peace" of Poland or France
Phil, "I wonder if you suppose that conflict is inevitable, that peace by the sword is he only peace imaginable" It has nothing to do with supposing conflict is inevitable, it has everything to do with what the other guy says and does. Using only the 20th and 21st Centuries - Germany wanted a little more of Europe, Hitler wanted the world, Tojo wanted the same world, Stalin, and all the others up to Gorby wanted the world, Mao wanted Asia, Milosevic and Saddam wanted their neighbors, Iran said if they get nukes they WILL destroy Israel and attack the US, so has North Korea. They all told the world what they would do and then did it. Which one of these events was stopped with words? In fact, in the history of the world there has been only one aggressor ever stopped by words, the words of one man. No one knows what he said, but the aggressor turned back and returned home never to menace the world again.
Phil, "I wonder if you suppose that conflict is inevitable, that peace by the sword is he only peace imaginable" It has nothing to do with supposing conflict is inevitable, it has everything to do with what the other guy says and does. Using only the 20th and 21st Centuries - Germany wanted a little more of Europe, Hitler wanted the world, Tojo wanted the same world, Stalin, and all the others up to Gorby wanted the world, Mao wanted Asia, Milosevic and Saddam wanted their neighbors, Iran said if they get nukes they WILL destroy Israel and attack the US, so has North Korea. They all told the world what they would do and then did it. Which one of these events was stopped with words? In fact, in the history of the world there has been only one aggressor ever stopped by words, the words of one man. No one knows what he said, but the aggressor turned back and returned home never to menace the world again.
Extended oxymoron
"... Peace makers will fight ..." Added: On the other hand, Ghandi had no problem with a fight. He simply advocated non-violence. He preferred civil disobedience to passive resistence. I would guess that most Americans, vets included, would be unwilling to die in that fight. We're just not ready. Give me peace or give me death! It just doesn't have the same ring to it. I wonder if ole Pat is popular with inmates facing long time behind bars. Sometimes it's just a Ruffles potato chips night.
"... Peace makers will fight ..." Added: On the other hand, Ghandi had no problem with a fight. He simply advocated non-violence. He preferred civil disobedience to passive resistence. I would guess that most Americans, vets included, would be unwilling to die in that fight. We're just not ready. Give me peace or give me death! It just doesn't have the same ring to it. I wonder if ole Pat is popular with inmates facing long time behind bars. Sometimes it's just a Ruffles potato chips night.
Phil, go to bed tonight and thank your gods
that you don't need to be concerned with your life being disrupted by the need to defend your way of life. Because someone less selfish than you has done that for you. Go on and continue to think that you can obtain utopia by wishing. Mean while think about when you last walked down a street and uniformed men armed with rifles demanded "Papers!" . Then wonder why you are privileged to live in peace .
that you don't need to be concerned with your life being disrupted by the need to defend your way of life. Because someone less selfish than you has done that for you. Go on and continue to think that you can obtain utopia by wishing. Mean while think about when you last walked down a street and uniformed men armed with rifles demanded "Papers!" . Then wonder why you are privileged to live in peace .
I love it when people think the US is war like...
..country. Born in Latin America and living in Europe for a while..the more I learn the more I love this country. To me its amazing that with so much power, this country has shown restraint. I don't know if anyone remembers the movie "the mouse that roared"...its about a little country going bankrupt who wants to pick a fight with the USA knowing that the USA after winning wars always comes back to rebuild you and make you a better country. Imagine what the world would have been like if the Germans, or the Japanese, or the Soviets would have won WW2 or the cold war. Imagine if any of those countries had the power the USA had after WW2 or the cold war. Imagine if the dictators of countries like Korea or Iraq had our power. I don't think any of them would show mercy nor the restraint. Old europe colonize and invaded Africa, Asia, the Americas. The USA could have done anything it wanted to without anyone stopping them post WW2. We liberated, not colonized like old europe. Rossevelt once told Churchil after getting a little tired of him with his post war plans"we are fighting this war to free people and not to protect your colonies". We are not perfect....but for crying out loud WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS. The way to world peace is to try get rid of dictators and try to stablish democracies little by little. WW1, WW2, the Cold War(WW3), and now WW4? started with dictators. If Germany, Japan, Iran/Iraq/Korea/ and all the other countries in the middle east were democracies.....none of the wars above would have been fought. Thousands of young Americans will die in the current struggles with these fanatics...but wake up because if you close your eyes and put your head in the sands...9/11 is going look like childs play compared to the harm these people will do to us if given the opportunity. Rather fight them over there than in our soil. I am not a military strategist...but I rather have our troops in Afg., and Iraq and few other countries in the area than sitting around for them to come to us. Not only that, if we have to deal with Pakistan or Iran...guess what we will be knocking on their doors rather than fighting from bases in europe and the US. Thank you to all who have sacraficed so that I can write this without having a Nazi, a Communist, or a Muslim fanatic placing me and my family in jail. FYI...we have lived communist dictatorship..so we have been there and done that and lucky to be alive to write this. One of these days when Hollywood becomes a little less antiamerican they should remake the movie "its a wonderful life" and call it "its a wonderful world". The story will be about what the world would have been like without the USA and without Americans. Maybe then people in this country will really appreciate what we have and that we are not so bad after all. Even in the last century with all the anti american crap that was coming out of europe and latin america...I am pretty sure those governments including "neutral Costa Rica" had the USA in the roladex and on speed dial if the s**t ever hit the fence. abe
..country. Born in Latin America and living in Europe for a while..the more I learn the more I love this country. To me its amazing that with so much power, this country has shown restraint. I don't know if anyone remembers the movie "the mouse that roared"...its about a little country going bankrupt who wants to pick a fight with the USA knowing that the USA after winning wars always comes back to rebuild you and make you a better country. Imagine what the world would have been like if the Germans, or the Japanese, or the Soviets would have won WW2 or the cold war. Imagine if any of those countries had the power the USA had after WW2 or the cold war. Imagine if the dictators of countries like Korea or Iraq had our power. I don't think any of them would show mercy nor the restraint. Old europe colonize and invaded Africa, Asia, the Americas. The USA could have done anything it wanted to without anyone stopping them post WW2. We liberated, not colonized like old europe. Rossevelt once told Churchil after getting a little tired of him with his post war plans"we are fighting this war to free people and not to protect your colonies". We are not perfect....but for crying out loud WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS. The way to world peace is to try get rid of dictators and try to stablish democracies little by little. WW1, WW2, the Cold War(WW3), and now WW4? started with dictators. If Germany, Japan, Iran/Iraq/Korea/ and all the other countries in the middle east were democracies.....none of the wars above would have been fought. Thousands of young Americans will die in the current struggles with these fanatics...but wake up because if you close your eyes and put your head in the sands...9/11 is going look like childs play compared to the harm these people will do to us if given the opportunity. Rather fight them over there than in our soil. I am not a military strategist...but I rather have our troops in Afg., and Iraq and few other countries in the area than sitting around for them to come to us. Not only that, if we have to deal with Pakistan or Iran...guess what we will be knocking on their doors rather than fighting from bases in europe and the US. Thank you to all who have sacraficed so that I can write this without having a Nazi, a Communist, or a Muslim fanatic placing me and my family in jail. FYI...we have lived communist dictatorship..so we have been there and done that and lucky to be alive to write this. One of these days when Hollywood becomes a little less antiamerican they should remake the movie "its a wonderful life" and call it "its a wonderful world". The story will be about what the world would have been like without the USA and without Americans. Maybe then people in this country will really appreciate what we have and that we are not so bad after all. Even in the last century with all the anti american crap that was coming out of europe and latin america...I am pretty sure those governments including "neutral Costa Rica" had the USA in the roladex and on speed dial if the s**t ever hit the fence. abe
Phil, I will pay you a one way ticket to Iran...
...so you can teach those people Ghandi's way. Ghandi got away with it because the British were not as ruthless as Hitler, Stalin, Mao or the Vietnamese in Cambodia after the fall of Vietnam. I like to see how far Ghandi would have gone in those countries or in todays NKorea or Iran. Civil disobedience works in societies that are civil (and yes the Brits were civil compared to others)....not with ruthless dictators in which life has no vallue. I suppose the if the Jews in Germany would have shown a little civil disobedience that Hitler would have fallen. Maybe the Poles should have done that too. Oh, but I forgot we have the Swiss who helped finance the German war, allowed the Nazis to kill and confiscate the wealth that made the Swiss very wealthy during the war. And as hundreds of millions died the Swiss just stood there smilling...not to different than what they are doing now with dictators in Latin America and the Middle East. Yeap, the Swiss were great during WW2....they were the civilized ones while the Americans were the barbarians with their guns and rifles. The Swiss are what we call the next step in evolution....if that is the case then I rather remain a monkey. By the way I am picking on the Swiss from a historal point...not because you are from Geneva, USA. abe
...so you can teach those people Ghandi's way. Ghandi got away with it because the British were not as ruthless as Hitler, Stalin, Mao or the Vietnamese in Cambodia after the fall of Vietnam. I like to see how far Ghandi would have gone in those countries or in todays NKorea or Iran. Civil disobedience works in societies that are civil (and yes the Brits were civil compared to others)....not with ruthless dictators in which life has no vallue. I suppose the if the Jews in Germany would have shown a little civil disobedience that Hitler would have fallen. Maybe the Poles should have done that too. Oh, but I forgot we have the Swiss who helped finance the German war, allowed the Nazis to kill and confiscate the wealth that made the Swiss very wealthy during the war. And as hundreds of millions died the Swiss just stood there smilling...not to different than what they are doing now with dictators in Latin America and the Middle East. Yeap, the Swiss were great during WW2....they were the civilized ones while the Americans were the barbarians with their guns and rifles. The Swiss are what we call the next step in evolution....if that is the case then I rather remain a monkey. By the way I am picking on the Swiss from a historal point...not because you are from Geneva, USA. abe
abe - what were you taught about ...
I'm curious what you were taught about the Spanish-American War? Or if you weren't taught anything, say, what the local populace opinion was. The one where "we got" Puerto Rico, Philippines, Hawaii, and a few islands.
I'm curious what you were taught about the Spanish-American War? Or if you weren't taught anything, say, what the local populace opinion was. The one where "we got" Puerto Rico, Philippines, Hawaii, and a few islands.
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