Wave height - how high have you been?

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Fred Ficarra

Puget Sound to the Golden Gate

My boat is a 1986 Hunter 34' that we bought new. In '91 we left with a buddy boat down the "left coast" for the tropics. We 'did' Mexico and Central America and then transited the Panama Canal. We then spent the next years until 2000 cruising from Key West to Trinidad. There are many articles in those adventures but the subject is wave height. When we left Neah Bay our buddy boat skipper said we should go out to 126W and follow it south to San Francisco. We said 'Oh,OK.' That night GPS and Loran (remember Loran?) both agreed we had reached 126west so we turned south. (It was August) We were off the continental shelf. Through out the night the wind freshened from the north west to 20-25kts APPARENT. All instruments said our boat speed remained at 9+ knots even after we doused the main. In the morning we looked out and observed monster waves. The GPS signal had not been 'selectivized' yet and so was very accurate. It was a 'GPS 100' by Garman. ($2000.00) from West Marine. The altitude reading was from +25ft to -25ft, give or take a foot for the next three days until the wind clocked and forced us into Coos Bay Oregon. After we waited out a southerly we resumed our trip with our buddy boat and went out to 126 again. You guessed it, same waves. After a couple of days of pure discomfort (put mildly) we were able to pick up Pt. Reyes NOAA weather radio. The observation for the area was flat water and no wind. That was not what we were seeing. I called our buddy and said we were headed in to shore. When we came in, the wind died, the waves went down to about 3 feet and the fog set in. Perfect. We were still about 160 miles from the Golden Gate but we could move about the boat and eat more than a granola bar. The fog was so thick that we couldn't make out the bow light or tri-color. Our radar is a R20X by JRC with a Raytheon name plate. It is jumpered to have a 32mile range and it WORKS. Using the offset feature we pick up headlands at 39.999 miles. You can take all of your nav aids like GPS, sounders, CHARTS, what ever,,when the going gets tuff, give me my dog and radar! (My wife was seasick the whole time) Anyway, we arrived with our buddy at the golden gate at the same time after not seeing or hearing from them for two days. We went under the bridge on our 9th anniversary. We 'partied' that night. The boat handled the waves and sea conditions wonderfully. We never had a wave come aboard or even splash the transom. I am sold on modern 'Euro designs. The same could not be said of our buddy boat. It was a Tayana 37. It had trouble even getting to Neah Bay because of pitching.(too heavy in the ends, not enough buoyancy) We had a third crew member with us. He went home and bought a Hunter 34. I kid you not. All is not perfect however. During the off seasons of cruising we stored the boat on the hard. NEVER STORE YOUR BOAT IN THE TROPICS. The pundits never tell you that. Our rebuild is in its third year but the end is in sight. The boat (SV Epitome') is in our back yard. Many photos will follow. Fred Ficarra Seabeck WA.
 
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J.B. Dyer

Gulp!

June of 2002, we were 1.5 miles North of Virgin Gorda in a 461 Beneteau headed to the North Sound. We were caught in a sudden squall with winds blowing 50kts, gusting to 60, as per the wind speed indicator. Rains were horizontal. My friends and I were busy at the time, but I would guestimate that from trough to crest was approximately 20-25 feet. Due to frequency of the waves, the bow of the boat was actually plowing through every other wave. This lasted for about 30-45 minutes but seemed like hours. The boat, a charter, was a 1999 and well founded. It handled the storm like a tank. The only damage we received was some turned over trash, a lost grill cover and some shot nerves. Three beer recovery!
 
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Clyde C. Bauman, Jr.

Suitability of 65 ft MacGregor

Tell me more about the MacGregor. I saw a 65 footer about 5 yrs. ago. It has become my dream to own one someday. My wife and I have adopted 10 children and are in the process of adopting 5 more. We have sailed a 22 ft Catalina for about 15 yrs. It's too small for our family now. But, some folks have also told me that there has been some criticism about the MacGregor? What is the discussion about? Why did they stop making them? I also have heard that MacGregor intends to make a larger boat?
 
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Bonnie

Thought we lost the rudder

We were returning from Key West to Cape Coral and when we were about 25 miles off Naples the waves started to come in from the opposite direction of the wind at about 2AM. After listening to the weather forcast for water spouts about 50 miles to the north of us we all put on life jackets and took down the main. At 2:19 AM we were hit with 75 MPH winds and 25 foot seas. We motored as much into it as possible but would get up on a crest and have no control of the helm. I'm guessing the stern was out of the water but we didn't feel any cavitation of the engine. We thought that we had lost the rudder but then it would get to the bottom of the trough and all would be silent and we had control again. At one point the shackle holding the boom to the traveler gave way and we had to lasso the boom. We then took an indirect hit of lightning. After 1 1/2 hours the storm subsided and we headed to Naples to access damages. We found the spring ring that had worked out of the clevis pin. We also found the clevis pin and it had an elongated hole. We now have a forged fitting rather than the stamped one. All of this occured about 2 weeks after we were caught in the Dry Tourtugas in the Storm of the Century (March 13, 1993 it hit the Tortugas at 1:19AM). We were at anchor with 20 other boats when the tower with the wind measuring devices at the Tortugas came down in 110 MPH winds. I'll leave that story for another time. Catalina builds a great boat. The boat can certinaly handle more weather than we care to.
 
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J.B. Dyer

Gulp II

I couldn't remember where this picture was when I submitted Gulp. I found it and thought folk's might find it interesting. This photo was taken with a waterproof dive camera after the storm started to slack off. I managed to pry my fingers from the wheel and grab the camera.
 
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Chuck Shaw

A long Night off of Baja

In a race from Long Beach, CA to La Paz, Mexico in the late 70's, when we were about 24 hours from rounding Cabo San Lucas a huge long swell started running. 10-15 ft high and the peaks were several hundred yards apart. We had always been told that portends a storm approaching. By dusk the clouds had become quite threatening and the wind had been steadily rising. The rain bands hit about 9pm about the time the annemometer pegged at 75knts. We were under a triple reefed main and storm jib. By midnight the wind has increased to something not able to be described (and the meter had been long since pegged). The mast was about 52 feet tall, with the spreaders at about 30 ft up the spar. As we would rise up the ever increasing waves, the tops were being blown off and sounded (and felt) like a sandblasting as the hull would go over the top of the wave into the wind, and repeat as we went down the next trough. While at the bottom, you could look up and see the spreaders UNDER the wall of spray being blown horizontally from the wavetops. Reminded me of the pictures you see of the surfers in the "pipeline" of huge waves. The boat, a Coronado 35, was really taking a pounding and the hull/deck joint was leaking badly when the storm jib disintegrated. We had no choice but to heave to till the morning when the sight was quite unnerving when we could actually SEE what was going on! These huge white horses were in every direction for as far as you could see. However, the wind had moderated to where the meter could register it at about 45 knots. We put up a double reefed working jib and started back to Cabo. The seas kept getting smaller till that evening things were back to good fun fast sailing. It sure was good to be alive that next day!!! I don't look at "rough" conditions quite the same way after that, since my yardstick for saying its "rough" had been streached out quite a bit!!!
 
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Cesar

5-6 Ft in a Hunter 19

On the heels of Hurricane Isidore this fall, the waves on Long Island sound were 7-10ft. Huntington Bay opens to the North and the Sound across a 2.5 mile mouth between Eaton's Neck and Lloyd Neck. The winds were North at 20-25kn, so the rollers came into the normally flat water of the bay at some 5-6ft every 3-5 seconds or so. The H19 is a pretty lightweight, water ballasted trailerable job, and we were getting pretty abused. Did a furious reach with a full main (reefing line was fouled, embarrasingly) for about 30 minutes, tried to tack to port and found ourselves being pushed straight backwards, main luffing wildly and pushing the open transom into the troughs astern. Tried to tack twice more but the wind was too strong and I couldn't avoid sliding back again. A continued reach would have run us aground in another 5 minutes, so we jibed to starboard, trying to ease thru it but got slammed pretty hard nonetheless. Someone later told me that plowing backwards thru the troughs can snap your rudder if it swings over. I now believe that could happen. Two lessons: - Never set out without proper reefing - Keep the small boats in the bathtub!
 
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Rich Stidger

30-35' in the Gulfstream, 1991 Marion-Bermuda

In 1991 I crewed on a Sweden 41 in the Marion to Bermuda cruising race. Total 6 crew, myself and one other were green for ocean races. The Gulfstream was (afterward) reported to be particularily nasty that year. Winds built to a steady 45kt and gusts to 50. We should have crossed the stream in about 8-13 hours and we were in it for about 30 hours. The waves were really high. My judge for the wave height was that I was standing at the bottom of the companionway looking up at a 6'+ helmsman at the wheel. He was about 6-7' aft of me and the waves were 1-2' above his head from my perspective. The seas were following and as helmsman it required a lot of muscle and strict attention to keep from broaching. Other than wondering when we would ever get out of those conditions, it was not particularily frightening, just a high level of tension. We never feared for our safety. However, at 0500, 30 minutes before I was to get up for my watch, we did broach. One of the waves in the early light got away from the helmsman. We were laid over on our side and the cockpit filled with water. Sleeping in the aft cabin with a port open to the cockpit resulted in 3-4 gallons of cold seawater dumping on myself and another crew. Needless to say we were awake immediately! The helm apologized and admitted that he was tired. Of the 6 of us, only myself and our navigator escaped seasickness. Our captain was sick from the second to the fifth day. The only consolation was that the winning vessel was a 62' something or other with 13 crew and 11 were puking! We were in 'A' class, second from the bottom of 33 vessels. It was a bad rating; we were not that fast. There were 52' boats in class 'B' that we had to give 8+ hours in time. We finished in about 133 hours. We were 36th or 38th across the finish line, but due to our high rating we were 86th out of a fleet of 130+ for overall corrected time. The best thing about being in these conditions is that now everything else is a cake-walk! I echo the sentiments that 3-6' chop is much worse than huge rollers or even large ocean waves.
 
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Chris Gonzales

Bay Chop

The worst wave conditions I have experienced was in late August on San Francisco bay. The forecast was for what is considered fairly normal conditions for the bay-20 to 25 kts. On this day, the day the tall ships were to come into the bay, everyone was surprised by winds averaging 40 kts and, according to the weather service, there were sustained gusts to 50. We had just purchased this boat and this was our first sail on her and got caught out in the slot-the area directly in line (W to E) with the Golden Gate bridge on the way to the delta after leaving Alameda. With the wind howling through the rigging the chop was in the neighborhood of 3-6', with a LOT of those 6 footers. This chop has a frequency of just seconds so the waves just keep beating against you. This was the first time I ever heard a boat make that big slamming sound falling down into a trough on the bay. Desiring to get in the lee of Angel Island we were fairly close to the wind. Because of this we were taking tons of water over the bow. Even with our full sized dodger I was getting sprayed constantly. With 40kt wind pushing the waves after they came over the bow it felt like someone was spaying me with a nozzle. There was a couple of inches of water sloshing in the cockpit. Our newly purchased '87 Catalina 36 handled well but it was still a very uncomfortable ride. So violent, actually that reefing the main was almost impossible. So rather than reef, we just dropped the sail. The jib was mounted on one of those old single line push-pull Hood furlers. When trying to roll up the headsail the furling line jammed in the drum. The flogging tore the leech of the jib to pieces. I intended from the beginning to replace the jib and furler but I just wished I had done it before we set out. We finally got behind Angel island and had a small amount of relief from the wind. While glancing at a 30' sloop banging around in the chop about 100 yards away we saw her lose her mast. We heard later that there was also a second dismasting that day. I eventually got the furler loose and dropped the jib. We motored to Richmond to stay for the afternoon and night and set out for the delta the next day, motoring all the way. We heard that out friends who have a 40' Catalina never raised sail that day and other friends in their 47' Catalina just turned around and came back to the docks. It was some day on the bay and I agree with the earlier statement that I will take big ocean swells over chop anytime.
 
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Todd Alt

Yes, still in production...but...

Response to Still in Production - Bob M. I am not an anti-Macgregor guy, and I am not trying to continue this battle...but If a Mac fan wants to insinuate that it is proof that Macs are wonderful because they are still in production and that O'days are a lesser craft because they are not, then I will comment. The reason O'days are no longer in production is due to the fact that they offered too much boat for the money to remain profitable and continue to produce quality when so many "other" boatmakers were willing to sacrfice quality in order to capture a dwindling market. I have an Oday 28 and have had others as well. I have had professional vendors do work on my boat at various times such as adding a bimini and dodger. These individuals have worked on all makes of sailboats and they seem to be unanimous in saying that O'day built a higher quality boat than either Hunter or Catalina, and they are certainly still in business. Macs are an "inexpensive" alternative to buying a celebrated brand of sailboat. Yes, Mr. Longfellow was out of line, but don't be so defensive and seek to make yourself feel better by trying to convince us that you prefer a Macgregor to "all the O'days you have owned" Please, the visitors of this website are not that gullible.
 
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Joe Boyette

St. Augustine Inlet

Leaving the Nation's Oldest City after a fun labor day visit to the CONCH HUT marina, we were riding an outgoing tide into the teeth of a 20 knot Northeast wind. Down thru the the channel between the rock jetties, the waves built to about 10 feet, short and choppy. Our 23' San Juan was beginning to lift the prop of the 9.9 Johnson with the passage of each swell under the keel. The wife and her sister, who had begin the trip under the balmy Florida skies seated in the bow pulpit area with comfort, now were looking back at me and brother-in-law Tom with some alarm as the bow climbed for the sky before beginning a 15-20 foot plunge to the trough of the next wave. This was beginning to look like more than we wanted to deal with... (I mean the girls, of course) so, at the precise top of one swell I put the tiller hard over and reversed course. We backtracked to the intracoastal waterway and headed back north to Jacksonville, whupped but wiser.
 
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jay

It's the sailor not the boat, I know but...

Longfellow got this started with a shot accross the bow of the Mac, his attack on a boat as a p.o.c. is unjustified. It's a boat - to each his own, wallet weight notwithstanding. However on a personal note, during the summer we had a family that was going to daysail with us cancel out of fear of drowning. The weather was to be perfect,the kids were all over 6 years and had had swimming lessons. I have a Hunter. Our guests (mostly the Mom) had read about a 4th of July capsizing of a Macgregor 26x where 2 kids drowned, on a waveless, windless night. It was a litany of careless, stupid and possibly criminal acts by the captain and crew that lead to the accident. My would be guest's overprotective logic went: sailboat = dead kids, no thank you. I had little interest in arguing, so we went without them. The Mac is probably a fun, safe craft if operated properly, but I couldn't help but think: I could put nearly a frat house full of drunks on my hunter and tell them to try and capsize it, and I don't think they could.
 
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Gary Wyngarden

Boat Bashing

This is about the kind of boat bashing done not by large steep waves but by sailors--so I'll stick my neck out here and maybe deserve to get it chopped off. Over the years I've heard a great deal about brand x is a "bad" boat, brand y is a "good" boat, and I used to pay a great deal of attention to it. I don't so much any more. Obviously some boats are "better" than others, but it seems to me that the "better" term has an awful lot to do with 1. intended use; 2. maintenance; and 3. the knowledge and skill of the skipper and crew not to mention cost. Porsches and Hummers are both excellent high end vehicles. However, if I drove a Hummer in a road race or a Porsche on a trip across the African veld, I might conclude they were both "bad" vehicles...bad for a purpose for which they were not intended. I love my Hunter 335. I use it as a coastal cruiser and I keep it very well maintained. I would not sail it to Tahiti. We might make it fine, but it was not intended for that purpose. If that's the kind of sailing I wanted to do, I would buy a heavier displacement full keel boat with stiffer rigging, etc. Would that be a "better" boat? Yes for going to Tahiti. No for the kind of sailing we do around here as it's weight and relative lack of maneuverability would make it less fun to sail in my opinion. A well made boat poorly maintained will fail its owner at some point. A well made boat overloaded or poorly handled will also fail it's owner. In neither case does that make it a "bad" boat and for sure those failings should not be generalized to all boats of the same manufacturer. Yes, it would be nice if we could all drive Mercedes and sail Swans. Until that day comes I'd rather drive my Saab than walk and would rather sail my Hunter than sit on the dock wishing I had a Swan. When we boat bash let's be mindful of our prejudices, and give some consideration to intended use, maintenance, the skill of the skipper, and people's budgets. That's my prejudice. Gary Wyngarden S/V Shibumi H335
 
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Bob F

Cheers to Gary Wyngarden

So well said. Those "bashing" waves can sometimes be brutal. I love my 376 for my coastal cruising trips. Maybe one of these days I'll get that heavy full keel blue water boat and sail off into the sunset. But for now, I am always smiling while sailing in my Hunter. P.S. Great article in Sail Magazine.
 
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Miles

Well said Gary!

The point of all this is to have fun and enjoy time on the water. I think some people spend far too much time worrying about buying the "right" brand of boat, electronics, you name it, and too little time just having fun with what they have and can afford. It looks like you're enjoying your boat though, it was neat to see a familiar name in Sail magazine. Congrats!
 
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Dennis

Come on people!

We are all sailors here, well sometimes I wonder about myself! Anyway believe me if Capt. Longfellow was adrift at sea, he would certainly be glad to see even a Macgregor pull up along side and pull his butt out of the water, not withstanding. Seriously though, Dont we have enough arguments with the power boat people without bashing each other? People have to do what they have to do and whether that is sail in the most expensive boat ever built, or sail on top of a bunch of milk cartons tethered together, doesnt matter, they are doing it and enjoying it, at least for the most part! You just have to forgive the power boat people!
 
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Michael

Easter on Catalina Island

It was Easter Sunday, after a weekend cruise to Catalina Island with the Pacific Mariners Yacht Club. The Santa Ana winds were blowing all weekend, and were especially strong Sunday morning when we all were getting ready to leave. The skies were clear and blue, but the winds were blowing 30+ knots, and the seas were 15 to 20 feet. I basically took the waves off the port bow, and she handled very well, although once she came down pretty hard with a slap that shuttered the whole boat. I also took one wave from the side that actually broke over my head and swamped the cockpit. The scuppers drained suprisingly quickly to my relief! I was sailing solo, so was strapped in with a harness, just in case. To expedite the trip home, i motorsailed, with main & jib reefed. All in all, she did very well as long as i steered into the waves somewhat. It was a very exiting (and exhausting) trip, and a great learning experience.
 
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SailboatOwners.com

Final results

Final results for the Quick Quiz ending 11/24/2002: The biggest waves I've sailed (peak to trough) are: 40% 6' to 10' 27% 11' to 20' 22% 5' or less 11% More than 20' 1,126 owners responding
 
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