water leak (on a 192) in cockpit - under deck hatches

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Oct 8, 2007
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Oday 192 Duxbury
Need to find source of leak ( and repair method ) for water coming into cockpit storage compartments under floor hatches
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Water leak

Is the boat in the water, or are you talking about rain water coming in? If it's in the water, check the cockpit self bailing hose and the lower gudgeon on the transom. If it's rain water, it could be coming in from around the gunwale strip or maybe a piece of deck hardware. Good luck Captain! Joe
 
Oct 10, 2006
492
Oday 222 Mt. Pleasant, SC
Probably pretty similar to my 222

When I got my 222 it was getting water in there from a couple places. The main place was the cockpit drain hose. It was not only clogged with debris, but it also leaked so water didn't flow out, but slowly dripped into that storage area. Another small area was through the backstay connection. Fairly minimal water coming in there. And lastly, a small amount was getting in under the lifting seat due to debris causing a backup and letting water in over the lip. Deck hardware would be another place to check, but I would guess that if it's a noticeable amount of water, then it's most likely through the cockpit drain if out of the water and/or the through hull if it's in the water.
 
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Capt Jack

Thanks for Leak Info

Brad Thanks for your help - a couple of questions : Is it difficult to remove the cockpit drain hose ? Do I need to cut in an access port in the stearn to get at it ? Does DR Marine carry replacement drain hoses ?
 
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Capt Jack

Thanks for help with Leak

Thanks Joe - I believe you helped me before with this problem and you said you installed an access port in the stern to get at the cockpit drain hose - is that correct ? Was the drain hose difficult to remove ? It looks like it has a screw in fitting where the water goes from the cockpit and one on the exterior of the stern where the drain water comes out - correct ? Did DR Marine have a replacement hose for the drain ? Thanks Again Jack
 
Oct 10, 2006
492
Oday 222 Mt. Pleasant, SC
Stand on your head

I am able to work on my 222 by hanging upside down, but an access would probably make it easier. I wouldn't cut one without at least attempting the replacement through the existing access. The through hulls are just standard 3/4" pieces if I remember correctly. 3/4" ID hose can be bought at Lowes in the plumbing section. The hose just presses onto the throughhulls and then SS hoseclamps to hold it in place.
 
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Dave K.

192 Cockpit Drain Hose and a question

I've changed the drain hose on my 192. It can be done by going head first into the cockpit locker, but it isn't fun. An access hatch would be easier, but would take extra time to install. The 90 degree turn that the hose has to make under the cockpit is tight. I installed an elbow but I've read that a slick solution is to buy a 3/4" ID automotive heater hose that has a 90 degree bend molded in and trim the ends to the right length. That should flow better and eliminate two joints that might leak later. I have an unrelated 192 question - Can anyone who has the standard cam cleats for the jib sheets tell me what brand they are? I'm thinking of getting rid of my winches and need to know which cam cleats will fit the hole pattern that is under the winches (the boat is drilled for both). Thanks! Dave
 
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Capt Jack

Thanks again Joe

Joe - I will give this a try & let you know how I make out - Thanks Jack
 
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Capt Jack

Thanks Dave

Dave - I'll give it a try - this hose seems to be a frequent source of leaks - Jack
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Hose

The only thing that I should mention to you Jack is; When you store your boat for the winter, make sure that you remove your gas tank from the compartment. Years ago, I left my metal 6 Gallon gasoline tank in the fuel compartment on my boat for the winter and I decided to check out my boat in March. As soon as I opened the rear of the polytarp, I could smell a strong gasoline odor. I discovered that the metal gas tank had rusted and leaked gasoline, but what I didn't know was that the gasoline also ate through my self bailing hose. So like an idiot, I took my garden hose and started flushing out the cockpit and couldn't understand where the water was going until I opened the Lazaret. It took me a long time to get the stink out of that boat. So I learned a valuable lesson that day. Never leave a gas tank in the boat over the off season, and ditch that metal tank for a Polyethylene 6 gallon tank. It's hard to find a plastic 6 gallon tank that will fit in an O'Day 222, 25, or 26, fuel compartment, but I did wind up finding an OMC Dura-Tank that will fit. These are only two of the lessons learned the hard way. Good luck with that, Jack. Joe
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,438
Oday 25 pittsburgh
There should be room if you crawl into the bilge,

under the cockpit. You will be amazed how much room there is to work between the transom and the stern. I would crawl into the lazzerette first then if you think you need to make an access point. I have gone under and rebedded all my deck hardware on the stern from under the cockpit. I'm a 230# guy and I fit in there! r.w.landau
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Take it from me

RW, You and I could probably both fit in your 25 bilge, but I weigh almost as much as you do, and I can't fit in my 222 bilge. What we're talking about is an O'Day 192 which is even smaller. So I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. Jack, If you do decide to try this, make sure that you have someone there with you just in case you get stuck and can't get out. I'll never crawl inside of it again, and that's for sure. Joe
 
Oct 10, 2006
492
Oday 222 Mt. Pleasant, SC
I have to admit

I had pretty much the same thing happen to me, Joe. Only the PO was the one that left the tank in the boat. It looked pretty good, but needed a coat of paint. It was also gas tight at that point. After spray painting and reinstalling, I filled with fresh gas and put it back in the boat. Woke up the next morning and smelled gas. I noticed a small drip coming out of the cockpit drain and a small stream coming from the locker. I think the tank had just enough varnish in it to hold the old gas in but as soon the new gas hit it, it just dissolved it. I found a Mohler plastic gas tank that fits perfectly. It has the gas gauge and is 3 gallons. I think there's a 6 gallon tank without the gauge that will fit, but no extra room. With the 3 gallon, I've got room for other things like propane bottles. Here's the tank http://www.boatersworld.com/product/356451286msk.htm
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Gas tank

I think that I tried one of those Mohler 6 gallon tanks and it wouldn't fit in my compartment, Brad. It was either a Mohler or a Tempo. I don't remember which. The three gallon tank will fit OK but not the 6. I really need a 6 gallon tank on my boat. I think that when they designed these boats, they were building the fuel compartments with 6 gallon steel gas tanks in mind. I noticed that OD 25, the 26, and even the Seaward 22s had the same size fuel storage compartments. All my friends who own these boats in the club tried my 6 gallon Dura-Tank to see if it would fit and it did. After that, They all went out and bought a 6 gallon Dura-Tank like mine. They didn't want metal gas tanks anymore. Of course, now we have Ethanol in our gas, and who knows what that stuff can do to plastic gas tanks? I hear that it eats up rubber and certain plastics. It also attracts water. Ain't that great! Joe
 
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Keith

gas tank

I have a 12 gallon Mohler inboard tank in my oday 25. The orginal was a 11 gallon metal tank. It fits great but the height of the tank is like 11 inches which makes it extreamly hard to get the fuel fill line on. My gas fill is in the bottom of the cockpit floor. I should be able to motor a pretty long way if needed.
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Gas tanks

Keith, The gas tank compartment on the O'Day 25 keel model with the inboard engine is a little different than the O'Day 25 and 26 with the outboard brackets. The outboard model has a small compartment under a seat lid very similar to my O'Day 222. We had an O'Day 25 with a full keel and Sail Drive inboard engine at the club years ago. The gas tank was in the lazarett with the engine, and there seemed to be just enough room to go inside that compartment and work on the engine if you had to. Joe
 
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Keith

Joe...

Interesting. I never knew there was a gas compartment for the O/B models. Mine is also a center boarder but sounds to be just as you described the full keel with sail drive. I have access to the engine from the port lazarett and also from an access panel in the quarter berth on the starboard side. The tank sits directly behind the engine. The deck fill is in the floor of the cockpit. Do the O/B models have access panels in the quarter births to under the cockpit?
 
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Capt Jack

192 Stern Deckplate Installation

Joe from Dighton - Cockpit drain replaced - however due to the slight curve in the stern the deckplate frame curves also, making it impossible to line up the threads with the cover correctly - did you have this problem - I am thru bolting the frame so I cannot install the deckplate with the cover in it. Any Ideas ??
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Deck plate reply

Jack, Put silicon around the flange and just get the screws snug, but not tight enough to bend the flange. Then wait a day or so for the caulking to set up, and tighten the screws enough so that you can screw the cover on. If that doesn't work, get some gasket material and build up on both sides of the flange to make it flat and apply silicon to it. I tried tightening mine up and ran into the same problem, so I just backed off a little on the screws on each side and the cover fits good. This should work on your boat too, unless your transom has more curve to it than mine. Having this deck plate on your transom is going to be well worth making it fit. Give it another shot and it will work. Joe
 
Oct 10, 2006
492
Oday 222 Mt. Pleasant, SC
Joe

Are you able to get to the backstay from your plate? That's the one fitting I'm having difficulty getting at from anywhere else. I've removed the bulkheads into the rear bilge and MAY be able to get at it from that way, but I'm pretty doubtful at this point.
 
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