water ballast vs. weighted swing keels

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Gary Ellis

Hi - I don't know much, but there seems to be a drawback to buying a water ballast boat as you can't sail as agressively. I'm shopping for something like a 22 and don't even know if it's an issue, but input is appreciated. Thanks.
 
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dan

what weighs more

a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers? has more to do with design of rather than one v- the other.
 
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Aldo

The untimate design

Dan: Did you ever look at a model radio control sailboat? These have a lead bulb at the bottom of the keel. This, of course, creates the righting moment that pushes the boat back up when the wind pushes the mast over. With a model sailboat, you can be rather uncompromising, because you can have a relatively deep heavy keel, and you don't have issues like standing head room, trailerability, and many other things to worry about. To me these little boats demonstrate the ultimate design for a keel and ballast. I think that the Volvo boats that raced around the world in 2001-2002 had keels similar to this. If you look at a keel on a swing keel Catalina 22, you will notice that it is much thicker at the bottom than it is at the top, where it is pinned to the bottom of the hull. This is a very good thing, and really helps with the stability of the boat. I once was on a Chrysler 22 of similar age to my boat, that had the thick part of the keel at the top, and it was MUCH less stable. (I think it's hull was also much rounder, which didn't help either). The thing with using water as ballast in my opinion is that you can't get your ballast down deep where you want it to create the righting moment. Since it's not deep, I would think that you would need more ballast (water) which would translate into a slower boat. When a (Hunter) salesman started to talk to me about this issue at an Annapolis boat show several years ago, the conversation ended up with his statement that if you are pointing into the wind, you really aren't getting anywhere too fast anyway, so you would probably just motor, so it doesn't really matter that your boat doesn't have enough righting moment to sail into the wind. I like to sail into the wind. It's the most challenging and fun point of sail, and a boat does need righting moment to be able to sail well into the wind. Aldo
 
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Arlyn

Water Ballast vs traditional keel

Water ballast is a compromise for ease of trailering, launch and retrieve. The important question is how serious is the compromise? Does it preclude aggresive sailing? No... there are a great many water ballast boats being sailed on waters such as the Great Lakes and across the Gulf Stream. Why? Because they are so much easier to get to those good destinations and they handle without problems conditions imposed by coastal sailing (weather window sailing). I have sailed out of harbors a good many times on the Great Lakes while larger keel boats hunkered down. The factor is the comfort zone of skipper and crew. Most water ballast designs are very capapble... and sailed within the character of their hulls (reefed earlier) they do very well.
 
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Ted

it depends . . .

If you trailer a lot, then a water ballast boat may be advantageous. If you want a boat that is lighter in the water and sails in a more traditional fashion, then a weighted keel is for you. Take your pick, as to which is best for you. Regards, Ted
 
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