Want to start sailing, please advise

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May 16, 2011
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26d MAcgregor 26d Belmar NJ
I am completely new to sailing and have literally no experience. Only tried catamaran sailing 4 times in Dominican Rep recently and was completely fascinated by it. Last try times I was doing it alone and that give me some confidence( may be false) I can do that.
Decided to to start sailing. I found decent condition 88 MacGregor 26d and I am thinking about bying it. Live in PA 1 h drive from Jersey shore.
Please help me with the questions below.

Question1: Is it possible to buy and then slowly learn the craft by cautiosly sailing very close to the land on Atlantic coast in only good weather or the only way to start is get sailing lessons, then get Coast Guard certification etc

Question2: Is 26d sufficient to do close good weather sailing until I learn more

Question3: What are first things to check when buying the boad.

Thanks! Any input is deeply appreciated
 
Dec 2, 2010
20
MacGregor 26m Whitehorse
I won't tell you anybody can do it, but I did. I had even less sailing experience than you (I had never even been on a sailboat when I bought mine). Went out once with an experienced sailor for two hours after five months of self study and now I'm hooked. The big help I found was hitting 45 degrees with the other guy just to see what it could do; If I hadn't done this it would have scared the crap outta me when it happened to me, and I probably wouldn't be sailing still. Now as I get more confidence I find myself looking to push the boat a little more each time and myself. :dance:
 

Faris

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Apr 20, 2011
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Catalina 27 San Juan Islands
You're going to get a ton of advice, and probably nothing very conclusive. I'll throw in my 2 cents.
Only tried catamaran sailing 4 times in Dominican Rep recently and was completely fascinated by it.
It sounds like you were on a small cat since you were able to single-hand it with very little experience. The experience is very different on a larger monohull. You actually may not enjoy it. I prefer it, but it's not for everyone.
Decided to to start sailing. I found decent condition 88 MacGregor 26d and I am thinking about bying it.
My advice is don't. It doesn't matter what a great deal it is. Another great deal will come along - I guarantee it. And, this advice comes from a person who jumps into everything full-on. I understand the urge to go for it. I would be the last to dissuade you from jumping into with both feet.

However ...
Is it possible to buy and then slowly learn the craft by cautiosly sailing very close to the land on Atlantic coast in only good weather
Absolutely, but don't. Not because it isn't safe or anything like that, but because it is not a great way to get started. You definitely don't need formal education. Mostly, you just need to get out there. However, a 26-foot boat is not a great beginner's platform. Learn to sail in a dinghy until you can do it well. You don't need lessons, but it doesn't hurt to get feedback from someone who knows what they're doing. Also, read everything you can get your hands on. The combination of dinghy sailing, reading, and a little bit of experienced feedback will get you where you want to be in short order.

How long until you're ready to sail a bigger boat? It depends on you, but I would say not long. The Mac 26 is a pretty simple and forgiving boat, and there are plenty of other boats that fit that description. Some people will say that you shouldn't buy a boat this season. I say you can get there in a few weeks if you are serious and learn quickly.
or the only way to start is get sailing lessons, then get Coast Guard certification etc
Many (most?) sailors have never had a formal lesson. I took a class when I started, but the only thing it really did for me was to give me a rescue boat while I was learning and building confidence. Don't worry about any certifications right now. Preparing for most certifications really does make you a better sailor in most cases, but it's certainly not necessary to get started.
Is 26d sufficient to do close good weather sailing until I learn more
If you insist on starting on a larger boat (longer than, say, 17ish feet), the Mac 26 is not a bad place to start. However, you REALLY should get someone with some solid experience to take you out on it a few times. There are certain boat-handling skills with a boat that size/weight that you really can't safely pick up through trial and error. You don't really need extensive lessons, but get someone to show you the ropes until you both feel confident.

The best thing to do is hook up with a local sailing club. You will find no shortage of people who can give you a huge head start and help you make a smart purchase decision if that's what you aim to do. It'll also give you the opportunity to spend some time on a variety of boats so you can see what you like and don't like.
What are first things to check when buying the boad.
At the risk of sounding glib, the first thing to check is your motives. Be crystal-clear as to what you want out of a boat. If you can't do that, you really should wait until you can be. Otherwise, it's kind of like marrying the first girl you meet. You might luck out, but probably not. There is something to be said, though, with not knowing any better.

The second thing to check is your overall impression of the boat. This doesn't take a lot of experience. You can just look at a boat and use your common sense to tell if you think the boat has been well taken care of or not. If it appears to have been neglected, it may still be a good deal, but you lack the experience to know the difference. Better to just skip it. If it appears to be well taken care of, it probably is, but there still may be hidden problems. Once again, you lack the experience to find them, but that's OK.

Some things to look for: Anything that looks structural but is soft, rotting, falling apart, etc. Sometimes what looks bad is not really, but you don't want to get into that. The hull should be hard and smooth inside and out, and the deck and cockpit should be the same. Look for signs of moisture in the lowest places in the boat. Ideally it will be bone dry and appear to have been that way for a long time. Check that the boat sits squarely in the water. Sails should be crisp (that's how they are when they're new). If they aren't, that's not a deal-breaker, but it lowers the value. They should be free of tears. If not, they may need to be replaced. This is expensive, but not the end of the world. The motor should be in great condition and well-maintained. As a beginner, you can't sail a boat that size without a highly reliable motor. All deck hardware should be solid and not show signs of coming loose. "Spiderwebs" (tiny cracks around hardware) are not necessarily a problem. Check underneath deck hardware (from inside the boat). There should be no signs of stress or indications that water has leaked. If there are, examine carefully.

The third thing to check is how it sails. It does no good to buy a boat on reputation. If you don't like the way it sails, it doesn't matter if others do. If you don't have any frame of reference for this, you should wait until you do.

The fourth thing is to get a survey done. If you've already decided to buy the boat, get this done. It'll cost you a few hundred dollars, but it will probably save you at least twice that in the long run. Even if the surveyor doesn't find any deal breakers, he/she will at least give you a great list of things that you know you'll need to have done on the boat. You won't have to figure this out for yourself (which tends to be costly).
 

Tom J

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Sep 30, 2008
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Catalina 310 Quincy, MA
Dinghy sailing is a great way to start. It's fun and dinghies are typically very responsive. Once you get used to the dinghy, you'll be reacting to the smallest wind changes automatically. In some ways, you'll find a bigger boat easier to sail.
Lots of DVD's about learning to sail are available, and can be very helpful. Seeing it done sometimes is better than reading about it. Many sailing authors forget that the beginner doesn't know what all those nautical terms mean. Of course, the best way is to get out there with someone experianced. Once you take the helm, you'll be hooked!
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
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Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
I started the same way. I bought a Hobie 16 and sailed that for the first year. The next season I bought a Sol 18 cat and used that for the sesond year.

Then I bought the Mac 25 which was way easier than the cats. The fear of getting knocked down was scary at first because the cats go over so easily. After the first couple of broaches and realizing that the boat always rights itself extinguished the fears of healing too much.
The only formal lessons I had were from Capt Bob Seeger who helped me with my first time setting up the Mac 25 and then a couple of trips down the chanel.
Everthing else I've learn has been from the internet, youtube, and especially here on SBO.
As far as buying it now I would say go for it. You can always get your money out of a used boat if you buy it right.
As far as checking the boat out: Have him take you out on the boat for a day sail. You will know that all of the systems work, and you pick up a free lesson.
 
May 16, 2011
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26d MAcgregor 26d Belmar NJ
Thanks a lot guys. I really appreciate your advises. As of now all the factors say NO, but my heart says GO FOR IT and I really do not know what to do yet. I found a place with dry rack storage , where they will put the boat in water for you. Here is what they say " In minutes, our forklift gently lifts your boat in and out of the water. The rest of the time your boat is clean and dry on a rack, protected from the harsh elements of salt water and rough currents".
Though I do not know yet how much it costs. Let's see how it works out.
I'll keep you informed and thanks again!!
 
May 4, 2005
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Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
Ok, this is a 1st for me. Don't buy the boat!

Go take sailing classes at some of the local yacht clubs that offer sunfish or laser classes. the best way to learn is on a small boat.

There should be some sailing clubs that you can teach you for small money.

Boating can be a dangerous sport, and people do get hurt. Please don't let that be you or your family.


Fork lifts and macgregors are not good matches! besides its a rack and stack. where's your mast going to go? (or are you going to drop it each time?) trailer storage w/ mast up is the normal way sailboats are dry stored....
 
Nov 24, 2010
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Seafarer 26 Ruskin
beginner1 said:
Thanks a lot guys. I really appreciate your advises. As of now all the factors say NO, but my heart says GO FOR IT and I really do not know what to do yet. I found a place with dry rack storage , where they will put the boat in water for you. Here is what they say " In minutes, our forklift gently lifts your boat in and out of the water. The rest of the time your boat is clean and dry on a rack, protected from the harsh elements of salt water and rough currents".
Though I do not know yet how much it costs. Let's see how it works out.
I'll keep you informed and thanks again!!
Have to tell you i currently know two couples that have not sailed and went ahead and boat rhe mcgreagwr 26. I worry for them greatly. Both have broken their masts already. One in the water and the other in the yard trying to figure it out.

Take a sailing class and try some boats out before you buy.
 
May 16, 2011
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26d MAcgregor 26d Belmar NJ
I really appreciate all responses. There a logistical problem with a small boat like Hobie or Laser. I do not have place to keep it and paying storage or slip fee for this kind of boat does not make a sense to me.
After thinking about it more I made up my mind. I'll take a 2 day class, then I’ll find someone to take me sailing. Then I’ll decide.
Thanks again for your input!
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
look for a sailing club.
any decent size lake will have one. and sailing clubs are usually not expensive.

maybe you don't need to buy a boat if you use theirs... or could keep yours with the others for little cost.


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Dream Killers!

ROTFL!
 
Dec 2, 2010
20
MacGregor 26m Whitehorse
I agree on the dream killers! LOL
When I first took the boat out it was strictly under power in three foot waves in October in the Yukon.
The first time sailing was six months later in a gentle breeze in Alaska. I knew every line, what it does how it worked and most importantly what to do if things got out of control, drop sails and power for shelter, still have not had to do that.
If you feel uncomfortable about it not even having the boat maybe not such a good idea; On the other hand if you get the boat and you don't feel uncomfortable maybe it's a bad idea
 
Feb 20, 2011
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Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
Have to tell you i currently know two couples that have not sailed and went ahead and boat rhe mcgreagwr 26. I worry for them greatly. Both have broken their masts already. One in the water and the other in the yard trying to figure it out.

Take a sailing class and try some boats out before you buy.
I'm kind of dense. Let everyone know how these boaters were dismasted, please?
 

geehaw

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May 15, 2010
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O-day 25 shoal keel Valdez
It's what I did.

I bought a 25' Oday only having sailed a few times as a teenager in a 17 lightning. I am 53 now. And I live 380 miles from where I sail. Its been fun exciting a definite learning experience. The wonderful folks here have helped me a lot and I thank you all. It's been fun to learn exciting and with moments of terror. I can't wait to get back in the water. Greg
 

chp

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Sep 13, 2010
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Hunter 280 hamilton
If the boat is a good deal and in good shape, go for it. I hadn't sailed in 30 yrs. and then I only did what I was told without really knowing what I was doing. Being a teenager and my dad's 60MPH+ motor boat seemed more exciting. After 30 yrs of power boating I switched to sail after sailing the Nile in Egypt. My wife had no knowledge of sailing. We found our 26s 3 hr. drive away in excellent shape and bought it. We hired a woman sailing instructor from the local yacht club to teach us both all the fine points of sailing including MOB techniques. My wife was nervous not knowing anything about sailing and now she loves to take the helm. If you get into this you MUST hire an instructor who will teach you on your boat. One thing I found about sailing is it can bite you in the ass if you don't know what you are doing.
 
Mar 26, 2011
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Catalina 22 Lanoka Harbor
Sailing The Jersey Shore

Welcome. I too am just learning to sail, and just bought a sailboat and can't even get it home from the Marina because I don't know how to sail it yet. They are stepping the mast and tuning the lines and giving it a once over before launching it. So, jump in, join the club - I did. The Jersey Shore is a fun spot, and I recommend (from PA) coming to the Forked River NJ area and sailing (at least for the first year) in the Barnegat Bay - which means you're in protected waters and can't go drifting off. Plus, there are a dozen or so sailing schools and clubs right here, and I am finding sailors are very chatty and helpful nice folks. There's also a location on the Delaware River (Riverside NJ) with a well established Marina, and a sailing school, which may be very close for you, too. I looked at boats from between 20' and 26' and eventually settled upon a 22' Catalina swing keel/ Pop Top. In doing your research for the boat, you should know that Marine Surveyors will tell you all about whether a boat is seaworthy, if you have any doubt; and you can get a free estimate of its value from emailing BoatsUS, if you're not sure about value. And, the locals are good at describing what is good for the waters you want to sail in. For instance, the Barnegat Bay is shallow, so a shallow draft was important for me. Ultimately, I did not spring for the Marine Survey, but went with my gut and purchased from a senior citizen, who lives on the water and kept his boat docked in his own lagoon. He owned it for 30 years. The fiberglass still shines. And, I figured the keel alone (which is lead encased in fiberglass) was worth at least half of what I paid for the boat; and the trailer worth the other half. And (this is also key) the boat is already here where I will be sailing it, so I didn't have to pay to have it hauled. Sailboats are heavy. I am an expert shopper (truly), and I broke the shopping down into four parts: the hull & deck; the sails; the motor and the interior condition. Breaking it down into parts helped me focus. But, I went with a smaller boat for two primary reasons (1) because I am not sure I am going to really like maintaining a sailboat myself (time/money) and the costs get exponentially greater the bigger the boat is - especially if paying someone else to do the work; and (2) if I do like sailing I figure I'll know better what I am looking for in a boat after I actually know how to sail. So, my advice is: research, because picking the right boat is easier if you're well informed. Good Luck!
 
Mar 26, 2011
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Catalina 22 Lanoka Harbor
PS. I should also say, I have a sailing instructor. He's going to be teaching me on my boat. We went on his beautiful 28' Bayfield for the first lesson, but the rest will be on my 22'.
 
Nov 24, 2010
91
Seafarer 26 Ruskin
Well the first one messed up trying to rig it. Newbie that has never had a boat. He is now accepting advice. Well kind of. He was also told that raising the sail on the trailer was not a good idea. He tried it anyway and scared himself to death as the boat nearly came off the trailer.

The second person just announced at our sail club meeting on monday night that he broke the mast and will be a power boat for awhile. But its ok because of insurance. You will have to use your imagination on that one but we do have alot of low bridges.

My point is these are fine boats but what i am seeing are people new to boating buying them for the obvious benefits of power or sail. Seems to be a dangerous mix sometimes with a shallow draft and oops it won't fit under that bridge.
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
as my dad would say, "If your going to be stupid, you need to be Tough" :D

But just like learning how to drive, its unforgiving, to those that have no or poor training.

its not too big of an investment, but IMHO, is easier to get hurt sailing than on a motorboat.
 
Jun 3, 2004
1,863
Macgregor 25 So. Cal.
OMG

Buy the iffn boat.

Go to the top of the fourm and down load the manual and learn to rig it.

Ask questions here.

Remember that it is a boat first and a sail or power too, even a row boat if you must.

Motor out on a calm day with your how to books and learn to sail, make some mistakes, read some more, post some more and go out again.

Have an adventure.

And when you become a sailor remember how you started and and laff at your learning curve and help others.
 
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