Want to learn sailing

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Jan 13, 2010
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Unknown unknown Ft Lauderdale
Hello all! I'm new to the site so forgive me if I'm not up on the lingo or formalities. I recently fell into some money and I want to leave the cold Rocky Mountains and start a new life. I'm only 22 and have 0 experience. My life plan is to live in a very modest home in an area that is a great for sailing. How realistic is it to sail around to the small islands in the Carribean? Is there a difference between yachts and sailboats? What should I figure for an entry level boat? Am I being realistic? I just want to start a new life with less stress and more living. Sailing has sang to me like a siren for years. Any advice would be welcomed, if you need any extra info let me know. Harsh advice welcomed as well :D Thanks!!!
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Ohhh to be young again. At 22 I was married, had a daughter, and was someplace in the Mediterranean on an aircraft carrier. You are one lucky guy to discover sailing at 22. I like your "yacht" question. I belong to a very nice "yacht" club. There are no sailboats over 30 feet and two-thirds of the docks are occupied by pontoon boats. So for cruising the islands start with a solid 30-foot "yacht". Your signature lists Ft. Lauderdale. There are much less expensive places to use as a base. Good luck with your adventure.
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
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Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
Find a place to live and get settled. Do as much reading on the subject that you can. Learn sailing, navigation, safety, etc. Take lessons and get a couple of charters under your belt. Offer to crew for others. I am sure there are members here who would be glad to take you out sailing. Once you get enough experience you can decide which boat is right for you.

Sailboat and yacht are basically the same in this forum. People call sailboats yachts just to impress others. Manufacturers can sailboats yachts for marketing purposes. I have a sailboat. It would do fine for your intended uses.

Some folks spend their lives island hoping in the Caribbean. It is totally feasible. You are at the right age to do this so go for it.
 

walt

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Jun 1, 2007
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Macgregor 26S Hobie TI Ridgway Colorado
Advice Id give to my own kid...

Put the money into real estate (might be a good time to buy where you are going?) with a place to keep a trailerable sailboat and invest the rest. At age 22, compound interest over time will be your very good friend - you will want to retire someday and you should plan on taking care of this yourself. If you have a place to keep a trailerable sailboat, your overhead to own one can be kept low. Get something like a Hobie 16 for $1K - you will have a huge amount of fun with it. Plenty of trailerable mono hulls for under 10K that you could spend up to a week in. Make sure its planned out so the cost of owning the boat is kept low - and this is not that difficult to do.

Advice to you.. blow the money on a nice boat and slip.. you only live once and we will enjoy hearing about it..
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Learning to sail is like learning anything. Get the book learning and get some experience and then get some more book learning then get more experience. You could learn to cook just by getting a stove ,some pots and pans and some basic food and start combining things but I doubt you would like the results. Or you could buy a basic cookbook and read the how to sections before you by the stove and the pots and pans. I am self taught is most skills but I have also benefited from many hours of classroom time.
The best advise I have ever received is "make haste slowly".
 
Oct 12, 2009
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beneteau 321 digby
in my honest opinion start out small I would go with a 12 to 16 ft boat something with hiking straps and trapeze .lessons would be good and once you can deal with a small boat the bigger they get the easier and more forgiving they are to handle.smaller boats are much more challenging and fun.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
in my honest opinion start out small I would go with a 12 to 16 ft boat something with hiking straps and trapeze .lessons would be good and once you can deal with a small boat the bigger they get the easier and more forgiving they are to handle.smaller boats are much more challenging and fun.
That is equivilant to starting a kid on a stunt bike when he really needs training wheels.
 
Jan 1, 2006
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Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
I agree with Digby. Buy an inexpensive, trailerable boat and go sailing. Learn on the water and then read - you'll gain more from the reading having been sailing. Make all the mistakes: Capsize it, right it, hit bottom, push it off, sink it, raise it, break it, repair it, learn how to adjust the rig, the sails, and when you're done with it - sell it. For me it was an MFG Bandit. It taught me to sail and I have no regrets about buying that boat.
As for an inexpensive place to live with good (Year 'round) sailing ... send us a postcard when you get there.
 
Jan 4, 2006
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West Coast
To the Young Beginner w/ Stars in His Eyes

Tool,

How about some context, so we know what the hell we're responding to.

I recently fell into some money…
There's money, and there's money. What kind of money are you talking about? The advice will differ depending on where the decimal point is.

My life plan is to live in a very modest home in an area that is a great for sailing.
Is a "modest home" mean you're planning on buying a house, or renting? If you plan on extended time away, it makes a difference.

How realistic is it to sail around to the small islands in the Carribean?
Quite realistic for somone with 2 pounds of experience. It's a couple of years away from you, at best pace.
Is there a difference between yachts and sailboats?
A yacht is simply a privately owned vessel, as opposed to a vessel of commerce. It can be a sailboat or a motor yacht. Technically, a canoe is a yacht, though the term is typically reserved for a boat with living accommodations. I use it all the time to describe my 30' sloop (one mast, two triangular sails), because I'd like to see the word revived to its proper use, but people do tend to associate it with personal wealth.
What should I figure for an entry level boat?
This depends on what is considered "entry level." My advice: a 14–16ft. used trailerable sailboat you can pull behind a sedan and launch single-handed at the ramp. The advantage of a boat this size are many:
1. economic: small used boats are cheap, and easy to sell again once it's served its purpose
2. logistic (storage is easier in driveway, back yard, or RV storage yard)
3. a dingy (uses a sliding centerboard instead of a ballasted keel) is very responsive to input from its operator (nimble), and will train you in the basics of boat handling very quickly.

Am I being realistic? I just want to start a new life with less stress and more living. Sailing has sang [sic] to me like a siren for years.
You have zero experience, so by definition, you're conception of sailing is romantic instead of realistic. Experience will replace those glossy magazine covers in your mind. But sailing brings its own stresses; many will argue they are preferable to alternative stresses.

Read a good book about "Learning to Sail" that you will buy from Borders or Barnes & Noble. Read it from cover to cover, then go back to the front page and begin to study it. Buy a used dingy in good condition. Sit in the boat and read the book again. When you feel ready, take it out onto sheltered waters in mild weather. Plan on making many mistakes.

After the first season shift your reading to learning about cruising. Continue to sail the hell out of the dingy through a second season.

Once you outgrow the dingy, you will purchase your first keelboat (has a permanently-attached, weighted keel, either fixed in place or which swings up or down to facilitate launching/recovering with a trailer).

Here, opinion will diverge: some will say a 22-24ft. weekender (has a cabin with sitting headroom, a couple of bunks, maybe a sink & porta-pottie, and an electrical system for lights/radio) is the best next step; others will advise skipping this boat and purchasing a small coastal cruiser of 26–30ft. and 4/5 tons of displacement. Since you're young, and have plenty of time, I think the weekender is a fine learning platform for a couple of more seasons which also allows you to accomplish some micro-cruises to local destinations on a self-sufficient basis: you can practice basic cruising skills on a small scale like provisioning, cooking, planning routes, anchoring, or arriving at a destination and picking up a mooring ball, multi-day weather considerations, use of marine radio, etc. This can be a very fun and fulfilling time for a young intrepid sailor. Maintenance costs are still rather low, and mistakes aren't insanely expensive yet.

Of course, classes are of great value, and I recommend them. You can be reading, taking a class, and practicing in your dinghy all at the same time, and it's great. It all depends on your temperment: many of us are self-taught.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
You say you got money. Use some of it to charter a captained boat in the Carribean for 3 or 4 weeks. One or two weeks is not enough. That should give you a taste. It won't be cheap, but you got money.
 
Jan 22, 2008
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Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
a yacht is...

A "yacht" is anything bigger than what you already have.
 

KandD

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Jan 19, 2009
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Hunter 40 Corpus Christi
they have sailing schools that will do a week of classroom work followed by a week of sailing in the keys. It's like $2000, but it'll tell you if you like it or not. Then you could get a little (10') boat to play with on a lake while you shop for what you want.

I spent about 2 years researching boats before buying ours (we live aboard). I learned to sail as a kid, but didn't have a whole lot of exposure. I knew the basics and could get a little boat around and then jumped straight into a 40' (a lot to dock for a newbie). I'm not looking back.
 
Jan 22, 2008
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Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
I'm with K&D. Don't buy anything. Go for a ride on a crewed charter boat. In the Bahamas or the Carribean. They will certainly allow you to raise and lower the anchor and the sails. Maybe even let you steer (with supervision). If you have a good week, then sign up for sailing lessons on small boats like sunfish, or even wind surfers. If you screw up on a little boat, it will throw you in the water, no harm done. If you screw up on a big boat, you will break or tear something expensive. Then see what you think.

Only then consider buying a boat. Cheap. Approach this already knowing it will not be your last boat, just one step toward your liveaboard. Resale value should be high on your list of desireable attributes. Sail for hours, hundreds of hours even. Your needs and wants will change. Sell the first boat, buy smarter. Repeat these steps.

Enjoy. Many of us envy your youth and the discovery process you will go through.
 
Sep 25, 2008
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C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
I am in the exact same situation as you! Except without the money.:)
Don't buy a boat. Your idea of a "yacht" will change quickly when you start hanging around the water.
 
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Jan 22, 2008
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Cherubini 37c HULL#37 Alameda
Horsepucky ! If the kid wants to buy a boat, buy a boat. At least he'll have a sense of pride and something to show for his money instead of pissing it away on partying and nonsense. I took a couple classes, bought a boat and have sailed it for years without breaking anything. My only regrets are, I didn't get one when I was younger and I didn't get a bigger one right out of the shoot. More boat = more money.The thing you do need to be aware of is the monetary cost associated with owning your own boat is very high. Especially for a young person. Mucho denero.
 
Sep 20, 2006
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Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
Some great ideas. First one would be to charter in the Carribean and find out what its like there and what it takes to sail in the area. You can even find charters that will teach as well, so learn while you have fun.

Take lessons, start small and work your way up to the bigger boats. You'll get a feel what you really like in terms of size of boat etc. They all behave differently and have different uses, i.e. day sailing, cruising, racing, go like stink sailing etc.

The more knowledge you gain, the better feel you'll have for what type of boat you want, and then you'll have to decide what actual boat to buy, there's thousands of those.
 
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