Vendee Globe Boats and Power Consumption

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Sep 29, 2008
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Catalina 310 #185 Quantico
I realize this is a totally different thing from what most of us do, but I was just reading about the Hugo Boss team pulling out of the Vendee Globe race because they lost one of their hydro generators. Granted these guys are doing over 20 knots, but it would seem like they were not very conservative on their power use if the loss of a single generator could knock them out of the race.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I realize this is a totally different thing from what most of us do, but I was just reading about the Hugo Boss team pulling out of the Vendee Globe race because they lost one of their hydro generators. Granted these guys are doing over 20 knots, but it would seem like they were not very conservative on their power use if the loss of a single generator could knock them out of the race.
There is a LOT to run on those boats and they are built as light as possible. Most of them use LiFePO4 batteries which are lighter and more energy dense. They also do not suffer from "acceptance" issues that typical lead acid batteries do so they can be charged to 100% quite easily. The AP's on those boats, usually two complete systems, demand huge amounts of power as do the many displays, radar and monitoring / weather equipment they use. These boats are also equipped with Immarsat Sat C, Marine Sat comms for internet speeds as fast as 128K and multiple remote cameras for video and still photos. Some of the boats are using canting keels which also require power.. I do know at least one of the boats is currently "Eco" powered and that is Acciona..

Different Vendee boats take different approaches. Mapfre the 2009 winner used Genasun LiFePO4 batteries and charged it all with an alternator and IFG (integrated flywheel generator). Over the entire 100 +/- days of the race she used just 25 gallons of fuel to recharge the Genasun packs because she could recharge at about 300A which meant about an hour every two to three days. Redundant systems are great and with the abuse these boats take it would not be surprising to see multiple systems go down. Perhaps the hydrogenerator was the last resort and other systems were already down. Many VOR boats also use LiFePO4 packs such as Telefonica..

My buddy Bruce was the first American to complete the Vendee Globe. He designed all the systems on his own boat, OceanPlanet. She too used LiFePO4 batteries. Bruce is now the importer or rep for Genasun, Solbian Solar Panels and Watt & Sea Hydrogenerators ...

These boats take TREMENDOUS levels of abuse. Where most cruisers would be sailing under bare poles Vendee racers are flying full canvas and planing at 20+ knots in the roaring 40's...

These boats are also pushing the envelope as far as possible. In the last few days alone the monohull 24 hour nm distance records have been smashed numerous times..

545.3 nautical miles was the distance covered in 24 hours by Fraçois Gabart. He broke the record twice in the last few days and it was recently re-set Dec. 1. Stuff breaks at this level of racing and there is not a lot you can do to prevent it if you want to remain competitive.. Hell even with near coastal sailing stuff breaks all the time....
 
Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
Thanks Maine. I have been following this on Facebook and Youtube. I am amazed at the speeds these are reaching as well as the implications for recreational boating. With the Volvo the monohull's future looks promising even if people like me prefer the poky boat genre. Appreciate the insight.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Thanks Maine. I have been following this on Facebook and Youtube. I am amazed at the speeds these are reaching as well as the implications for recreational boating. With the Volvo the monohull's future looks promising even if people like me prefer the poky boat genre. Appreciate the insight.
Technology from racing always trickles down to cruising boats. Just look at the sheer number of new boats with plumb bows and bulb style keels. Balanced spade rudders etc. etc..

I suspect that in ten years or so LiFePO4 or similar battery technology will be common place in the average coastal cruiser.. I am currently experimenting with it but am admittedly on the "cutting edge" of this technology..
 
Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
Keep us informed. For now I'll stick with cheapy lead acid batteries but if there is a better cost effective alternative I will be at the front of the line for them. By the way, Merry Christmas.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Keep us informed. For now I'll stick with cheapy lead acid batteries but if there is a better cost effective alternative I will be at the front of the line for them. By the way, Merry Christmas.
Right now the cost is prohibitive for a pre-made pack for a "drop in" system. About 7k for 200Ah. Even then they are not just "drop in" as you have to break the load buss from the charging buss, add a fuse with ample AIC rating and do some other system re-wiring.

Building your own LiFePO4 pack is much less costly but far to complicated for most DIY's.

I think when I am done with my 400Ah bank of LiFePO4 (4 - 400Ah Winston cells in series for a 12V bank) I will be in the range of $1500.00 - $1800.00 with a full battery management system.. Still not cheap but about 12k less than doing 400Ah LiFePO4 pre-built packs...
 

Sailm8

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Feb 21, 2008
1,751
Hunter 29.5 Punta Gorda
I wonder when (if ever) we will find salvaged batteries from hybrids like the polymer gel in the sonata.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,323
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
This level of sailing is akin to NASA when it comes to pushing boundaries. Formula One and GP prototype in auto racing...etc. I think it's even higher level than the new AC stuff.... those boats don't have to worry about hitting a submerged container at 20kts.
 
Oct 6, 2008
857
Hunter, Island Packet, Catalina, San Juan 26,38,22,23 Kettle Falls, Washington
The next target for stolen cars will be the electro's just for the batteries and motors. Wow, instead to Yanmar it'll be Prius. That's a sick thought.
Ray
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Almost all (it not all) the the Vendee boats this time out use Hydrogenerators exclusively to generate day-to-day power. They have two, one for each tack. Because of the broad transom, the high side one does not reach the water. At least one skipper (Hugo Boss?) had one damaged early, and he could only generate power on one tack. In the Atlantic that was less an issue. In the southern ocean it is a big problem. They CAN be swapped side to side but thats not a job for 30 foots seas and 40 knots of breeze.



These have some a long way in the last several years. Here's the rig most of the boats use.

http://www.ynovex.com/hydro/
 
Jan 25, 2007
366
Cal Cal 33-2 cape cod
Hugo Boss

Alex Thomson is a world class sailor, right now he's sailing @ 18.3 knots, closing in on the leader who's struggling to maintain 11 knots., Hugo Boss is currently in fourth place, was trailing 1000 nm in short time, closed the gap to approx. 800nm, This is an exciting race to follow, I wish there was an American entered, but since Alex updates his progress in English, and dresses sharp like Tom Brady, I'm keeping myself informed of his progress. I suggest you try the link, http://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/skipper/25/alex-thomson.html some very impressive sailing skills.
 

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