Hi All, I have a few questions, and would appreciate your help: I have been ask to bring a C&C41R at the end of the summer2007 from Lake Ontario to Cuba. So I am thinking Toronto to New York via ICW then Blue water to the Bahamas and hop to Cuba from there. The boat has over 8FT draft. Any other route suggestions? Currently the boat has VC17 on; before launching we were to put a new coat of the same stuff but now I am thinking, can I put something else over the VC17 that would be good all summer in Lake ontario (fresch water) and for salt water until November 2008 (after we come back to lake Ontario in the spring of 2008 and sail the racing season of summer 2008)??? Thank you all! regards, a.
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Bottom Paint
I am not sure about going over the VC17 which is currently on the boat. But for the warmer waters you are heading for I would strongly recommend Petit Trinidad. Works very well around here, and it will last three years or more. It is hard and not an ablative. Check with Petit about being able to go over the VC 17.
I am not sure about going over the VC17 which is currently on the boat. But for the warmer waters you are heading for I would strongly recommend Petit Trinidad. Works very well around here, and it will last three years or more. It is hard and not an ablative. Check with Petit about being able to go over the VC 17.
VC-17
Alain- The answer is no as to putting anything over VC-17. VC-17 does not rate out well in the salt waters, but it still works, just not as good as your tropical ablatives or modified epoxies. I would not go through the process of removing the VC so to apply another type of paint, fully knowing the boat is going back to fresh H2O again. Just my honest opinion. Rob Hessenius
Alain- The answer is no as to putting anything over VC-17. VC-17 does not rate out well in the salt waters, but it still works, just not as good as your tropical ablatives or modified epoxies. I would not go through the process of removing the VC so to apply another type of paint, fully knowing the boat is going back to fresh H2O again. Just my honest opinion. Rob Hessenius
Routing ideas
Alain, For great routing Ideas and plans, head to Nautical Minds, downtown T.O. near Queens quay. When we were planning our trip south...we found this bookstore packed with great guides etc... Sound like a great aventure ahead of you. Fair sailing to you. GG Emilie-Jolie C30
Alain, For great routing Ideas and plans, head to Nautical Minds, downtown T.O. near Queens quay. When we were planning our trip south...we found this bookstore packed with great guides etc... Sound like a great aventure ahead of you. Fair sailing to you. GG Emilie-Jolie C30
thx
Thank you all, merci, Well it seems like VC17 will not last more than 2 weeks in warm salt water. Also apparently there is no ablative bottom paint that can go over VC17 ... (That I am very surprised about) Finally since I do not want to remove the VC17 I am trying to research if it is possible to sail ... Lets say dowm to NY and then VC17 will disolve itself in salt water I could haulout for a day and paint some salt water disolving antifouling that would last 5-6 months then on the way back to lake ontario hopefully that paint will be disolved in fresh water and we can put VC17 back on... All this is very bizarre I wonder what other boaters do? Many people leave lake Ontario for Florida every fall??? ahhhhhrrrrwwwrr ! a.
Thank you all, merci, Well it seems like VC17 will not last more than 2 weeks in warm salt water. Also apparently there is no ablative bottom paint that can go over VC17 ... (That I am very surprised about) Finally since I do not want to remove the VC17 I am trying to research if it is possible to sail ... Lets say dowm to NY and then VC17 will disolve itself in salt water I could haulout for a day and paint some salt water disolving antifouling that would last 5-6 months then on the way back to lake ontario hopefully that paint will be disolved in fresh water and we can put VC17 back on... All this is very bizarre I wonder what other boaters do? Many people leave lake Ontario for Florida every fall??? ahhhhhrrrrwwwrr ! a.
Don't give up just yet
I've used VC17 with moderate success in warm salt water for years. A coat lasts about six weeks in the Indian River Lagoon, which is a pretty high fouling area. You can make it last longer by applying more coats, which is not hard because VC17 dries so fast. Search the Forum Archives for my posts on the subject over the years. If memeory serves me correctly, the Interlux website says that other anti-foulings CAN be applied over VC17. You just have to scuff it to provide some "tooth" for the new paint to adhere. However, VC17 should not be applied over other antifoulings because VC17 solvent is so aggressive that it dissolves the old paint and the VC17 won't stay. Dry VC17 can be wiped right off the hull with a rag dampened with acetone or denatured (methyl) alcohol. You do not have to sand it. My suggestion would be to apply some extra VC17 to the bow and the leading edges of the keel rudder (if you can) and take the trip. If you can't apply more VC17, take the trip anyway. When you get to Florida you'll probably need to haul the boat anyway to check zincs, cutless bearing, through-hulls, etc. At that point you should still have a little VC17 left. Wipe the rest off, pressure wash the hull, scrape off whatever hard growth is left, fair the hull as needed and apply new antifouling. Bon voyage. Peter H23 "Raven"
I've used VC17 with moderate success in warm salt water for years. A coat lasts about six weeks in the Indian River Lagoon, which is a pretty high fouling area. You can make it last longer by applying more coats, which is not hard because VC17 dries so fast. Search the Forum Archives for my posts on the subject over the years. If memeory serves me correctly, the Interlux website says that other anti-foulings CAN be applied over VC17. You just have to scuff it to provide some "tooth" for the new paint to adhere. However, VC17 should not be applied over other antifoulings because VC17 solvent is so aggressive that it dissolves the old paint and the VC17 won't stay. Dry VC17 can be wiped right off the hull with a rag dampened with acetone or denatured (methyl) alcohol. You do not have to sand it. My suggestion would be to apply some extra VC17 to the bow and the leading edges of the keel rudder (if you can) and take the trip. If you can't apply more VC17, take the trip anyway. When you get to Florida you'll probably need to haul the boat anyway to check zincs, cutless bearing, through-hulls, etc. At that point you should still have a little VC17 left. Wipe the rest off, pressure wash the hull, scrape off whatever hard growth is left, fair the hull as needed and apply new antifouling. Bon voyage. Peter H23 "Raven"
six weeks !!!!
VC-17 is for racers. It is totally not practically for the average sailor. It is made NOT TO STICK. It doesn’t stick well to existing paint. You can’t paint over it with anything but VC-17. I know all you cold water fresh water guys use it and I say, good luck with that. I know I am not buying a boat with it on.
VC-17 is for racers. It is totally not practically for the average sailor. It is made NOT TO STICK. It doesn’t stick well to existing paint. You can’t paint over it with anything but VC-17. I know all you cold water fresh water guys use it and I say, good luck with that. I know I am not buying a boat with it on.
Interlux
Alain- NOTHING will adhere to VC, except another teflon technology anti-fouling paint, period! VC-17 last more than 2 weeks in the warm, salt waters. Give Interlux a call and ask them you question. I know they are in the business to sell paint, but they are a reputable company and will tell it like it is. True, you are not the first, nor the last to go on this adventure. There is a solid game plan to deal with your bottom issues. Best of Luck and Enjoy. Rob Hessenius
Alain- NOTHING will adhere to VC, except another teflon technology anti-fouling paint, period! VC-17 last more than 2 weeks in the warm, salt waters. Give Interlux a call and ask them you question. I know they are in the business to sell paint, but they are a reputable company and will tell it like it is. True, you are not the first, nor the last to go on this adventure. There is a solid game plan to deal with your bottom issues. Best of Luck and Enjoy. Rob Hessenius
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