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Manny, so you were thinking ...

that the concrete would form a sort of "T" that would fill the hollow space and cap the stringer at the same time? First, I'm not sure why you think the stringer is hollow. Wouldn't it likely be a solid piece of wood that is encased in resin or glass? Second, even if it is hollow, I think that you would have to mix it so thin with water to get it to flow that there would be little strength to it when it cures. Adding water to the mix helps its workability but is murder to the strength. Also there is nothing to prevent the outer edges of the "T" from cracking completely off. It may have a been a worthy idea, but I think there are far better solutions! I've noticed that the people that post on this site seem to take far more interest in the maintenance and repair of their boats than the average sailor! This is a good thing! We've had our boat for 2 and half seasons and she also needed some tender loving care when we brought her home! We fixed the sour head odor by replacing the head and all the hoses! I have not completely solved the bilge odor yet! It's not bad but it is still noticeable. We haven't fixed all leaks yet so between the rain and the packing gland, we constantly have some water in the bilge that makes it hard to eliminate the smell entirely! I haven't replaced the port lights yet (I promise myself this spring) which is one source. I haven't figured out how to gain access to the nuts holding the stanchions in place, so I have been afraid to loosen them up for rebedding (but I'm not sure if I have leaks there or not). We get more rain in our corner of New Jersey statistically than they get in Seattle, so dampness is a constant problem.
 

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Jun 15, 2004
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Manny if your interest is really to test for

strength of the stringer and correcting this bit of a sag that you have on the sole. Consider this: PL premiun construction adhesive is very strong and has excellant gap filling qualities. drilling a half dozen holes above the stringer and pumping them full of construction adhesive with a caulking gun would solve that part. Placing a straight edge across the sole in contact with the hull will allow you to place a load on the sole and measure the deflection by measuring the gap under the straight edge. A small bottle jack and a 2x4 will provide the load. (don't test to distruction :D) Scott, some careful measuring will help you locate the stanchion locations from the inside. So many of the production boats come with liners. Once you know the exact location then you can cut a neat hole for access to the fasteners and cover it when you are finished with a neat finished wood panel. Sometimes the measuring is the most difficult part. Bracing a piece of plywood to the over head gives a place to make marks, Finding a reference point near the stern in line with the companion creats a common point. So you measure from the bolt heads to the common point and from the common point to the inside and mark the plywood. It isn't that easy because of the angles involved. But I have made it work.
 

Manny

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More of an upside down "U"

Scott, The stringers are like an upside "U" shape, which would completely encapsulate the concrete, leaving none exposed except for the pour hole. I wish I had a picture to post of one of the exposed stringers. The reason I believe that it is hollow if from information I found in the archives here. The ones I can access in the bilge seem hollow. Once I can get back down to the boat I will drill into the stringer to verifiy if there is or was any material. From what i've read in the archives, it seems that in some cases the compression post was not even above a stringer, it was just sitting on the sole. Ross, Would the PL adhesive have some compressive strength? In other words, could it support and spread the load if heavy weight is placed on top? Thanks - Manny
 

Ross

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PL premium is excellant for gap filling with

very good compressive strength. It finds primary application on floors over framing and stops squeaks.
 
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I like that idea, Ross!

I have no problem locating the nuts ... it is simply gaining access to them with tools and my thick, clumsy fingers! I could fabricate some nice wood covers to insert over the access holes after I cut them out! Manny, I am still confused ... if the gap is between the top edge of the stringer (assuming it is an upside down "U") and the bottom of the sole, how is filling the hollow section inside the stringer going to close the gap? Ross, when you say drill "above the stringer", do you mean drill through the sole down to the space above the stringer and pump adhesive into the space between the stringer and the sole? I think the adhesive would have plenty of compressive strength for this purpose. It doesn't need much compressive strength ... it just needs to stay intact so it doesn't crumble out of place. The adhesion is the key to it. I would think that you could do this with a 3/8" bit and plug the holes with bungs when it is done.
 

Manny

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No gap

Scott, from what I can see there is no gap between the sole and the stringer. It looks like the stringer has compressed slightly under the compression post. The sole is either bonded or screwed to the stringer. By jacking the sole slightly it should pull the stringer back to it's intended height. Then by filling the stringer with some material it should keep it from recompressing. Randy - my stringers also run port to starboard, no grid. The shot you posted didn't come through, could you repost. When you say "it is no longer with us" is there an interesting story?? (not to get off topic)
 
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Now I understand ...

it took me a little while :{! If you are concerned about the stringers re-compressing, then I can see where a shim wouldn't necessarily work if the stringer just compresses more under load. Also, where would you be able to insert the shims? Ross's idea with the PL premium might be on the right track. You want something that expands slightly or at least holds its shape when cured. If it doesn't absolutely fill the space or it shrinks when curing, it may as well be useless.
 
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Why Not Ask Hunter?

Boat may be 26 years old but designers do live that long and I would bet that the design team has seen it all before. After all this time it would not represent loss of face so you might well get a straight and honest answer. Good luck and keep us posted please.
 

Manny

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Oct 5, 2006
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Wow!

Okay, I give up Randy. What happened? What is that large hole cut through the bottom? It really is impressive how thick the hull is. Thanks for posting the picture. It's perfect though to show what the stringer looks like. You can see that the stringer isn't long or tall. The sole rests right on top of it. Manny
 
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Manny, I had an idea about changing out the shoal draft keel on my boat with the full keel on this one. Its either an 80 or 81 H27. Someone was parting it out a few years pack in Florida. Turns out the bolt pattern was a little different. I guess I misunderstood your stringer situation, if its hollow you may be on the right track. Randy
 
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