USCG plans to do live fire on the Great Lakes

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higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Head mistress: Question

It sounds to me that if one pees into a bucket inside the cabin of the boat (no indecent exposure) and throws the bucket contents overboard, that would be legal. Correct?
 
Dec 2, 1997
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Nope..."bucket and chuck it" NOT legal

To be legal it has to go directly from you into the water...either from above the water while you're in the water. It can't go into anything else first.
 
Aug 19, 2005
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NULL NULL Peoria, IL
Lead shot

was banned for water fowl hunting several years ago because the birds were confusing the shot with the gravel they normaly ingest. The gravel is used to grind up the food in the gizzard. This led to lead poisoning and death. The birds can only source the lead pellets in shallow water or on land. A case for this happening in upland birds appears to be delevoping and a total ban on lead shot may be on the way. Anyway, I haven't heard that the lead in bullets or keels is a problem; at least it wasn't the cause for the ban on lead shot.
 

Guy D

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Sep 25, 2006
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Lead in the water

Before we get a gale force debate going on lead in the water, I have a couple of thoughts. How much lead naturally occurs in the Great Lakes? Is lead not harmful, in and of itself, and only harmful when ingested? If memory serves me right, I think a .50 caliber slug, prior to impact is right around 1/2" x 2" in size. That's quite a mouthfull. Won't these exercises be taking place well offshore, in deep water, where bottom-feeding is not common? How much lead is there in the dust going overboard when loading taconite and other ore in Duluth and other ports? Are we using a standard that implies that anything man puts into the lake is harmful? Isn't 7000 lbs about the weight of a couple of sub-compact cars? Did we ever lift that Yugo off the floor of the Straits of Mackinac? Is it possible that naval gunnery involves other elements not found in shore side gunnery and artillery? Would we be doing more, or less, pollution to Gaea if we flew/drove these trainees to the ocean to do the same thing? Is the ocean's only difference that it is not in my back-yard or does it actually ingest lead more readily? Lastly. Aren't "serious Canadian concerns" being amply addressed by junior high school debate clubs all across the nation already?
 
May 11, 2004
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Pearson 303 Lake Charlevoix
Right or wrong...

Whether this live-fire proposal is right or wrong, when they setup a range directly in the path of a documented passgenger ferry route, you have to believe that they aren't really thinking. Dave Crowley s/v Wind Dreamer II
 
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