Hopefully nobody has had to do this... but "what if?" Has anyone been in that unfortunate situation where they were knocked over and had to "upright" their C-22?Will the Cat pretty much do it itself? How about uprighting after turning turtle? I've done it (after purposely) capsizing sunfish & (not purposely) capsizing jet-skis.... but what about a C-22? (NOT PURPOSELY and hopefully NEVER!) Thanks all.. PS- if you know how from first hand experience - please fill us in on a good story!!!! Lisa
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I asked this same question a couple of month ago. I also have read at least two stories about turning turtle in a Cat 22. One was at www.cruisenews.net Basically what happens if boat is upside down: Swing keel will retract violently despite friction lockdown bolt and air trapped in hull blows out the through hull where the keel winch cable exits the boat. Then boat sinks faster than you can blink your eyes twice. An interesting concept is to add floatation to your Cat 22. I saw an article about this at www.trailersailor.com then follow the links to one that is labled "Ted's projects or Ted' sail page" I can't remember the exact URL. Anyway there is some interesting reading about small boats on the way.
I asked this same question a couple of month ago. I also have read at least two stories about turning turtle in a Cat 22. One was at www.cruisenews.net Basically what happens if boat is upside down: Swing keel will retract violently despite friction lockdown bolt and air trapped in hull blows out the through hull where the keel winch cable exits the boat. Then boat sinks faster than you can blink your eyes twice. An interesting concept is to add floatation to your Cat 22. I saw an article about this at www.trailersailor.com then follow the links to one that is labled "Ted's projects or Ted' sail page" I can't remember the exact URL. Anyway there is some interesting reading about small boats on the way.
Floatation URL
Found the floation URL for a Cat 22: http://sites.netscape.net/tedsailingpage/ Could not find the URL to the story about turning turtle in a Cat 22.
Found the floation URL for a Cat 22: http://sites.netscape.net/tedsailingpage/ Could not find the URL to the story about turning turtle in a Cat 22.
Righting a C-22
I used to sail a C-22 out of Long Beach, CA. Pacific Ocean sailing, and that C-22 and I only found the butthole pucker factor three times, and each time the boat came back by itself. I couldn't imagine being in a postiton where a C-22 would turtle, unless someone very brain-challenged took it way, way, too far out and couldn't get back before some nasty weather set in. I had complete confidence in the boat. Larry W.
I used to sail a C-22 out of Long Beach, CA. Pacific Ocean sailing, and that C-22 and I only found the butthole pucker factor three times, and each time the boat came back by itself. I couldn't imagine being in a postiton where a C-22 would turtle, unless someone very brain-challenged took it way, way, too far out and couldn't get back before some nasty weather set in. I had complete confidence in the boat. Larry W.
Thanks, the floatation article was appealing...and
I came across that a couple of months ago, too - great concept. Thanks for supplying the website address again! It's comforting to know the Cat will right itself in a knock down. Unfortunately, it seems that if someone was brain dead on a bad weather day - which could result in the Cat turning into a helpless Turtle
- there would be no chance to even try to upright it like you would a little Sunfish.. Thanks - although I was hoping to hear that "if" that turtle thing happened - someone actually saved their boat! Happy sailing - without turtles! Lisa
I came across that a couple of months ago, too - great concept. Thanks for supplying the website address again! It's comforting to know the Cat will right itself in a knock down. Unfortunately, it seems that if someone was brain dead on a bad weather day - which could result in the Cat turning into a helpless Turtle
- there would be no chance to even try to upright it like you would a little Sunfish.. Thanks - although I was hoping to hear that "if" that turtle thing happened - someone actually saved their boat! Happy sailing - without turtles! LisaTed's Page????
Well I've tried to access Ted's Page for some time now to see exactly what's there but everytime it comes up that it cannot be displayed. First of all I want to say to Lisa, Turning turtle in a Catalina 22 can and will send the boat to the bottom if there is no positive flotation inside to help keep it afloat. Secondly, knowing that, you should also know that if in fact you decide to install flotation in it, you give up just about all of the storage spaces below the forward v berth and both side bunks as well as the storage in the inner stern area. Turning turtle either on the ocean or lake would take almost an act of God to do, but if you are so inclined and just have to live on the edge go right ahead. Now then with that out of the way, if you are really afraid of this happening then maybe you should look to a yacht builder who installs positive flotation in their boats of the same approximate size, such as West Wight Potter, or Mac Gregor . West Wight has a brochere out showing a young lady standing in the cockpit area of the boat after an inch or so hole had been drilled thru the bottom of the hull and it continued to float along with holding her weight as well. If that doesn't appeal to you then add your flotation but keep in mind I do not beleive you will be able to install enough to keep the hull, all of it's contents and the sails, mast and rigging afloat, Unless their Marine Architect Group at Catalina has either changed their weight to flotation ratio's of building the new type Mark II's or a new type of positive flotation has been developed that I am unaware of. I guess you could mount some pontoons on both the starboard and port sides if that gives you more comfort. Just Kidding, Happy Bailing Dave
Well I've tried to access Ted's Page for some time now to see exactly what's there but everytime it comes up that it cannot be displayed. First of all I want to say to Lisa, Turning turtle in a Catalina 22 can and will send the boat to the bottom if there is no positive flotation inside to help keep it afloat. Secondly, knowing that, you should also know that if in fact you decide to install flotation in it, you give up just about all of the storage spaces below the forward v berth and both side bunks as well as the storage in the inner stern area. Turning turtle either on the ocean or lake would take almost an act of God to do, but if you are so inclined and just have to live on the edge go right ahead. Now then with that out of the way, if you are really afraid of this happening then maybe you should look to a yacht builder who installs positive flotation in their boats of the same approximate size, such as West Wight Potter, or Mac Gregor . West Wight has a brochere out showing a young lady standing in the cockpit area of the boat after an inch or so hole had been drilled thru the bottom of the hull and it continued to float along with holding her weight as well. If that doesn't appeal to you then add your flotation but keep in mind I do not beleive you will be able to install enough to keep the hull, all of it's contents and the sails, mast and rigging afloat, Unless their Marine Architect Group at Catalina has either changed their weight to flotation ratio's of building the new type Mark II's or a new type of positive flotation has been developed that I am unaware of. I guess you could mount some pontoons on both the starboard and port sides if that gives you more comfort. Just Kidding, Happy Bailing
DaveCareful
keep in mind that the flotation you install could trap moisture inside your hull and create a problem with osmotic blistering. It is best to learn how to sail with the big stick pointed to the sky and the round side of the boat down.
keep in mind that the flotation you install could trap moisture inside your hull and create a problem with osmotic blistering. It is best to learn how to sail with the big stick pointed to the sky and the round side of the boat down.
Thanks guys-your input will help me "chill" ....
this St. Paddy day weekend! It's going to be approx 80 degrees here, with 15 to 20 mph winds this weekend! (This CPA-in-the-middle-of-tax-season/rookie sailor, is going to play hookey this weekend and SAIL and raft up at the lake w/ the sailing club tomorrow night!) I'll keep in mind that the Cat will upright if knocked down, but sink it capsized. By the way- Dave, if you're still reading this thread, I have pontoons on my boat already - on the dinghy As for the floatation- I forgot it took up storage space. I need room to supply my crew (lately = stinkpotters-I'm desparate!) with beer for after the sail! So- forget the floatation. As for the suggestion for a MacGregor- NO WAY. My second choice after a Catalina is a Hunter. Happy Sailing, all! Lisa
this St. Paddy day weekend! It's going to be approx 80 degrees here, with 15 to 20 mph winds this weekend! (This CPA-in-the-middle-of-tax-season/rookie sailor, is going to play hookey this weekend and SAIL and raft up at the lake w/ the sailing club tomorrow night!) I'll keep in mind that the Cat will upright if knocked down, but sink it capsized. By the way- Dave, if you're still reading this thread, I have pontoons on my boat already - on the dinghy
As for the floatation- I forgot it took up storage space. I need room to supply my crew (lately = stinkpotters-I'm desparate!) with beer for after the sail! So- forget the floatation. As for the suggestion for a MacGregor- NO WAY. My second choice after a Catalina is a Hunter. Happy Sailing, all! LisaUp righting a C22
I have never heard of anyone turning over a C22, however a number of years ago someone sunk one on Carlyle lake. They did not have their lazarette covers secured when they were knocked down. The lee side one apparently flew open as green water came rushing through the cockpit and down she went. I hear tell it was in about 18ft of water and easly raised the next day using truck tire tubes which were placed inside the cabin and then pumped up. Lesson: KEEP THE LAZARETTE LATCHES SECURED AT ALL TIMES WHEN SAILING !
I have never heard of anyone turning over a C22, however a number of years ago someone sunk one on Carlyle lake. They did not have their lazarette covers secured when they were knocked down. The lee side one apparently flew open as green water came rushing through the cockpit and down she went. I hear tell it was in about 18ft of water and easly raised the next day using truck tire tubes which were placed inside the cabin and then pumped up. Lesson: KEEP THE LAZARETTE LATCHES SECURED AT ALL TIMES WHEN SAILING !
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