Universal M25 transmission leak?

Nov 15, 2015
271
J J/30 Seward, AK
hi there! I have a Universal M25 in my Catalina 30 and the transmission is leaking into the bilge. Assuming it is not leaking at the output shaft, does anyone else have a sense of the weak points that this tranny may be leaking at? Is it known difficult to remove and repair, or known to be relatively easy, or does it always depend on circumstances?

Just testing the water because time and resources are limited.

Thank you!
 
Jan 11, 2014
13,951
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Just getting ready to head down to the boat and finish up installing my recently rebuilt transmission.

If the fluid is leaking, it is time to pull the transmission and get it rebuilt and while you're at it replace the damper plate. The rebuild on the transmission cost about $1700 and the damper plate about $200. Did the removal and install by myself.

If the transmission is leaking, it won't get better. And the worse it gets the more expensive it becomes. Not to mention having it suddenly fail at an inopportune time.
 
Nov 15, 2015
271
J J/30 Seward, AK
If the fluid is leaking, it is time to pull the transmission and get it rebuilt and while you're at it replace the damper plate. The rebuild on the transmission cost about $1700 and the damper plate about $200. Did the removal and install by myself.
Yeah, its leaking fluid. How many hours did your tranny have before the rebuild? Mine only has 730. I'm surprised it's leaking this early, unless the gaskets just get old over time regardless of use.
 
Jan 11, 2014
13,951
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
My transmission has more than 550 hours, the hour meter was installed when he boat was a few years old, so i'm not sure of the exact number.

Age as well as use probably have a negative effect on gaskets and such.

Removing the transmission was not a technically difficult task; disconnect the shift cable, disconnect the shaft and remove 8 bolts and lift the tranny out. The issue is getting access to all the bolts and lifting a 50# piece of metal out of the engine compartment. It was necessary to lift the engine a couple of inches on my boat to access the bottom 2 bolts.
 
Nov 15, 2015
271
J J/30 Seward, AK
My transmission has more than 550 hours, the hour meter was installed when he boat was a few years old, so i'm not sure of the exact number.

Age as well as use probably have a negative effect on gaskets and such.

Removing the transmission was not a technically difficult task; disconnect the shift cable, disconnect the shaft and remove 8 bolts and lift the tranny out. The issue is getting access to all the bolts and lifting a 50# piece of metal out of the engine compartment. It was necessary to lift the engine a couple of inches on my boat to access the bottom 2 bolts.
Thanks, that's very helpful. Did you have to dry dock it to deal with the shaft?
 
Jan 11, 2014
13,951
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Thanks, that's very helpful. Did you have to dry dock it to deal with the shaft?
No, I did this in the water. Depending on the boat, the shaft only needs to be pushed back far enough to allow the transmission to clear the coupling. In my case that was about 2". The coupler was left on the shaft.

If you have the typical packing gland and nut, loosen the nuts, slide the shaft back, and tighten the nuts to stop the leaking water.

If you have a PSS shaft seal, basically the same process, loosen the collar, slide it back and tighten the collar again. Initially this leaked, by fiddling with the seal and moving the shaft I found a position where it did not leak. Replace the set screws with new cup point screws using blue locktite.

Full disclosure, I did not spend my youth under the hood of a car. Few would call me mechanically inclined. This is why we have credit cards and garages with real mechanics. However, in my neck of the woods good marine mechanics are few and far between, so I dove into this project on my own. A few things I learned:

Make sure your bilge pump and float switch work.

Don't move the lower motor mount nuts. If you do, you will have to realign the shaft. If you have a shaft seal this means that it will not seal until the motor is in pretty good alignment.

Be prepared to invest in wrenches you don't already have. In order to reach a couple of bolts it was necessary to bend one wrench into a curve, buy a stubby 12mm wrench (yours may vary), and buy a combination open end/box end ratcheting wrench with a pivoting head.

Replace the damper plate. It may not need to be replaced today, but it will eventually need replacing. It is unlikely that you will want to remove the transmission later to replace it. And according to the transmission guy, once it starts to fail it will take the transmission with it.
 

Harlan

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Jun 4, 2004
99
Oday 34 Niantic
Check the seal at the shift lever shaft. Very easy to replace without removing the tranny. Good place to start before you do anything major.
 
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Jan 11, 2014
13,951
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Check the seal at the shift lever shaft. Very easy to replace without removing the tranny. Good place to start before you do anything major.
My transmission guy said, "Do not loosen the 6 bolt side cover under any circumstances." It is easily accessible and could be easily replaced, but it seems that it might affect the transmission and alignment of the shift lever.