Un-bashing Hunter

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Sep 24, 1999
1,511
Hunter H46LE Sausalito
I helped rescue a fairly new Beneteau this afternoon. The raw water intake had disconnected from the engine, which had less than 200 hours on it. His first warning that something was wrong was the steam pouring out his exhaust. When he went below to determine the problem he discovered the floor boards to be ankle deep. His bilge pump wasn't alarmed, and it didn't have a float switch. THE PUMP HAD TO BE TURNED ON MANUALY AT THE CONTROL PANEL. Additionally, the pump didn't have enough capacity to keep up with the influx of water from his raw-water thru hull. Conversely, my H46 came standard with two electric pumps, both of which have automatic switches. The upper one is alarmed, has a two-inch outflow, and has 10 times the capacity his single pump had. The lower pump alone has twice the capacity of his pump, and a larger-diameter outflow. And there's an overheat alarm on the engine. Two hunter owners came to this guy's assistance before the Coast Guard showed up. Imagine that.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,337
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
whatever you do John

don't post this to the beneteau owners portion of the site or we'll have another war of mine is better than your's... We'd have world war 3 if you ever towed a catalina
 
M

Mike

Duck, i can already hear it comming...

btw, was it a sail drive or inboard like a hunter? Those sail drives are nothing but trouble, looks like someone cut a hole in the bottom and droped an outboard in the middle of the boat.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,818
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Catalin 38

I happen to be checking out a new catalina 38 at the boston boat show and a woman comes sliding down the companion way steps with a bang. She was hurt for sure and looked at the cabin sole covering the batteries and boy was it so thin. After she landed on it it would not fit very flat anymore it was flimsey so much for a new boat. We both looked at each other and she said good thing I talked her out of a cat and bought a new hunter.
 
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Mike

Which one did you decide to get?

The hunters looked very good at the boat show. I think we had a good presentation and appearance over the Tartans and the Beneteaus
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
who installs?

Who installs the pumps? Are these factory installed or dealer installed like the mast is on Hunters? Just find it hard to believe the factory would do that. My dock neighbor has a Beneteau 361 and it only has a 500 gph for the bilge which is unbelievable. It does have a switch though. My 1996 h376 came with only a 1500 gph pump so I installed a 3700 with an alarm on it. Somebody also gave me a me an idea to rig the primary pump to a light in the cockpit so if it's constantly on while sailing, I'll know long before it kills the batteries. Someday I'll get around to that. With all that said, I do think Beneteaus are good racing/cruising boats...especially in protected waters.
 
Jun 5, 1997
659
Coleman scanoe Irwin (ID)
Not all Huntebenelinas are made alike

All three manufacturers make a broad enough range of models and designs that there are substantial variations in technical specifications and performance within, as well as between, the brands. For instance, no fewer than 7 Beneteau Firsts participated in the last Sydney-Hobart race, generally considered to be one of the most grueling offshore tests. In spite of the demanding conditions all seven Beneteaus finished. Even though it is quite likely that all 7 Beneteaus were more or less extensively modified for this offshore adventure, it is clear that the Beneteau First series does not deserve the "bendy toy" moniker bestowed by some of the "my boat is my fortress" crowd. Yet, it would clearly also be wrongheaded to claim that all larger Beneteaus are fit for the Sydney-Hobart race. Similarly, although our Hunter Legend 43 (hull #1) has proven her offshore mettle with 50,000 nearly troublefree NMs in her wake (about half of which bluewater), I have often noticed large enough design variations between the various Hunter models to prevent me from wanting to trade in or up to a newer Hunter model (if only for all the elbow grease I might lose). Quite a few Catalinas and -- not to forget -- Jeanneaus (now part of the Beneteau family) have also successfully completed amazingly tough and demanding offshore voyages. I have read John Farnsworth's posts long enough to know that he is not into any type of boat-bashing. Clearly, the serious Beneteau bilge pump shortcomings appear to be systematic and embarrassing enough to deserve prompt attention from manufacturer and dealers. Fortunately, the remedy is much more straightforward than some of the past problems (rudders, chain plates) experienced by Hunters.... In short, let us avoid setting off a "race to the bottom" by, knowingly or inadvertently, starting a fight between brands that have far more in common than what may perhaps divide them. Instead, let us combine our energy, knowledge and experience in trying to correct Huntebenelina bashing on other fora whenever the poster appears to be poorly educated about the -- real or imagined -- issues involved. Fair winds, Flying Dutchman Rivendel II (Hunter Legend 43; currently dry-berthed near Port Vila, Vanuatu)
 
Sep 24, 1999
1,511
Hunter H46LE Sausalito
Henk is right....

...as usual. It blows my mind, however, that ANY boat over 35' LOA wouldn't be able to survive a loose hose clamp without outside assistance. If this fellow had been a couple hundred miles offshore he'd have sunk. Part of the problem was lack of knowledge, he sat at the manual bilge pump, falling more and more behind, until the first Hunter owner to arrive at the scene told him to shut his thru-hulls. And he didn't realize that he had to turn on the electric pump manually. He assumed that because his previous boat had a float switch, his new boat would have one as well. The lesson here is two-fold. First, don't go out there until you know if and how your pumps work. It's a simple matter to run a garden hose into your bilge and test the system. Second, stop the Hunter bashing! You never know, after all, when you're going to need a Hunter owner, with his oversize chainplates and beefed-up rudder stocks, to come to your rescue.
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
ahhhhh.....John.....

"Second, stop the Hunter bashing! " Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't this list only for Hunters? Who here would be bashing Hunters?
 
Sep 24, 1999
1,511
Hunter H46LE Sausalito
franklin,

stick around, my friend; some of the best Hunter bashing I've ever read has happened in this very forum. Indeed, when the whole rudder controversy was going on a few years back, I may have composed some of it myself. I've always wondered why Hunters get more than their fair share of bashing. I've come up with a theory that much of it has to do with the fact that Hunter designs its boats to appeal to women as well as men. When we bought our first Hunter, I wanted to go with the Catalina 400, a faster boat, but my wife walked into the Hunter 410 and fell in love with it because of how light it was inside and because of how great the galley was laid out. Same with the second boat: I fell in love with a Wauquiez, and the Admiral fell in love with an H46LE. We bought the Hunter, of course, because keeping the Admiral happy keeps me sailing. Keeps us sailing. Bottom line is that you could stick me in an El Toro and I'd be happy, but she wants a bit more galley. And she loves sailing this boat almost as much as she enjoys entertaining in it. We sailed last weekend, and we'll be sailing next weekend. Not many couples at this latitude can brag about that in the middle of February. Listen to the tone of the Hunter bashing next time it comes around. It's all quite macho. Fellows who haven't yet learned to tie a bowline jump onto this forum and question whether Hunters are enough of a blue-water boat to qualify for their upcoming circumnavigation. The bottom line is this: if you're still trying to figure out your masculinity, don't purchase a Hunter. If, alternatively, you're hoping to share some quality sea time with the love of your life, give these boats a second look. They're not as macho as some of the other production boats, but sometimes that's a good thing. A month rarely goes by when another member of my yacht club doesn't comment that I'm lucky to have a wife who enjoys sailing so much. I just shrug my shoulders, because luck has nothing to do with it.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
but John.....

John: You need to remember that we have some members that do not deserve to own a Hunter. There are members that will tell you that Hunter's do not hold their resale because they are junk. They complain about things that have only happened to their Hunter. They are leaky, they don't sail, they are slug's ..... Many of these owner's are not worthy of even owning a rowboat. If the truth be known all of the production cruisers have similar problems. They are like the typical production vehicle. We hear a lot more complaints about any item that is manufactured in quantity. You are not going to hear a lot of complaints from something that you mfg. 50 units a year, but if you are mfg. 1000 units a year there will be about 20 x the complaints. While I agree that some of the design issues are not my cup of tea, I think that Hunter is as good as any of the other mass produced vessel on the market. They have a good following and maintain their resale when properly maintained.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Franklin!!!

Franklin: I was just aboard a new H'49. They do infact install staged bilge pumps aboard the newer boats. It is a great safety factor and something that owners of other later models of most any sail boat should consider.
 
Jun 5, 1997
659
Coleman scanoe Irwin (ID)
John and Steve: truer words were ne'er spoken!

John and Steve: truer words were ne'er spoken! I love John's description of the way his wife and sailing buddy selected the Hunters. That is exactly how we got our Legend 43 and would probably have upgraded to a newer Passage or DS model if I would not have had serious misgivings about the lack of toerails; smaller anchor lockers; missing seaberths and/or redesigned chainplates (no more rod backups through the cabin). Fortunately, my wife loves the Legend 43 galley and cabin layout so much that any thoughts of trading in or up always perish on the vine, thus saving me from another 2-3 year round of ocean upgrades, let alone the misery of trying to sell and buy vessels while outside of the USA. John's description of the insecure macho mentality is spot on. It would be especially interesting to know how many women are being refrained from daring to fall in love with sailing and sailboats because of the threatening environment created by dockside machoism. Although we greatly enjoyed our Santa Barbara years, while Rivendel was berthed in the local sailing school, some of the sailing instructors couldn't help but jeer a bit at Rivendel's little flower arrangements and other feminine touches here and there which helped make Rivendel a home-away-from-home for the admiral. Nonetheless, these same sailors were always quick to smell the coffee and drop in for a cuppa while remarking how it "just felt like home". I suspect, though, they never figured that cosy cabin would ever make any passages..... In fact, when we made our first Hawaii passage in 1994 we had been talking about it and preparing Rivendel for some time. Since I could maximally take 2 months off from my UofU job, we returned 8 weeks after we had left, logging about 6,000 NM. Some of the morning coffee visitors, who happened to have been away on other summer pursuits and dropped in asking "when are you guys leaving for Hawaii?" rewarded the admiral with an ape-like mouthdropping response. After that, there was no more jeering about the flower pieces. I must admit, though, I personally cursed the flowers a few times when they started flying around the cabin in bad weather. On one occasion I was able to adorn my dog watch logbook entry with a collage of plastic flower petals, buds and leaves gathered from the cabin floor. One final remark about the insecure macho behavior illustrated by so many dockside/website Huntebenelina bashers: OUT THERE, i.e. in the remote Pacific harbors and anchorages we have visited, NOBODY EVER TALKS ABOUT BOATS!! You simply sail what you sail and, just like you, the guys next to you in their wooden-hulled Colin Archers, hard-chined steel backyard designs or gold-plated Hinkleys are all busy planning their own routes, making repairs, collecting weather info, hanging out on the cuiser's net or attending potlucks. Aaaaah, the CRUISING LIFE..... In about 2 years we hope to pass the reigns of Project MARC to a younger generation and start doing some timeless, aimless, senseless sailing around ourselves before perhaps contemplating the next rung on the inevitable sailboat >> motorboat >> motorhome >> nursinghome ladder (discovered by posters on this board, I believe). Fair winds, Flying Dutchman Related link
 

richk

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Jan 24, 2007
495
Marlow-Hunter 37 Deep Creek off the Magothy River off ChesBay
Happy with our H35

I must admit I don't usually chime in on such posts, but I feel the need and have the time to do so now. We bought our current Hunter 35 several years ago with an eye towards cruising Chesapeake Bay. My wife was part of the decision. We chose what we chose, in part because we liked the interior. We grew to really enjoy the sailing capabilities; a bit tender, but fine for the bay. I admit to my fair share of macho dockside stuff; it was my lack of experience coming through. Hopefully, most of that stage of life has been overcome by events. We've put some money into the boat, mostly for sailing enhancements, little for creature comforts (we were and are happy with those.) As spring peaks around the corner, we're looking forward to putting her back in the water and enjoying one of the best aspects of life; time to enjoy fresh air and each other's company. (In addition to that of our golden retriever.) Rich in Annapolis
 
Nov 12, 2004
160
Hunter 37.5 Kemah, Tx
Our reasons were similar

We orginally wanted a Catalina also but after looking at the Hunter 37.5 we decided to buy a Hunter. I really liked the layout of the cabin area and the roominess we got with this model. I'm no great sailor and my experience is limited but this boat is fun and very comfortable for a weekend stay or longer. There are things about a production boat I don't like but most are fixable and I couldn't afford the Island Packet I really want so there you go. We sailed in the Harvest Moon Regatta this year for the first time and I think we held our own against the Catalina's and Beneteau's in our division dispite our inexperience. They better watch out this year, I'm coming with a more experienced crew.
 
Jan 2, 2005
779
Hunter 35.5 Legend Lake Travis-Austin,TX
Henk!!!

Please tell me you have submitted some of your travel stories to the Hunter Newsletter "Knotline" which has been revived from the dead and finally become more active. I'll try to include a link if you haven't. I find ALL of your stories and advice very unbiased and informative. It might also give more press to the "MARC Project". Thanks for taking the time to share with us here on HOW. <hunter@jlrezcommunications.com>
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,337
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
John

John hope I didn't take your quote below too much out of context but that was the only comment with which I can't agree. Our dock neighbor has a C400 and we have often travelled in tandem and in varying conditions. In every case, my 40.5 was much faster. The only 2 things different other than the obvious are my feathering Maxprop and his furling main, both of which certainly contribute to the difference. His C has a std 3 blade prop and I have a large roach main sail. I know I'm making a subjective comparison under these circumstances but I can't help but believe that absent my prop and similar main sails, the boats would be substantially equivalent in speed. Obviously, I'm also presuming the 410 would be equivalent in speed with our 40.5. "I wanted to go with the Catalina 400, a faster boat, but my wife walked into the Hunter 410 and fell in love with it"...
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,182
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Don and John....

...just for fun, I checked the SoCal PHRF ratings for the Hunter 40.5, 41, Catalina 400 and 42. The Hunter 40.5 and the two Catalinas are identical (108) and the 41 (not 410) is 96. Anyway, pretty well matched. RD
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,182
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
John and Henk

Yup, I have a Hunter because of my wife too. I was all ready to get something a bit more shippy. It was all dark below and macho. My wife saw our first Hunter 17 years ago, and the rest is history. It helps when SHE is the one who is excited and brags about it. And, yes, I have plastic vines, flowers, photos and paintings, rugs, pillows and throws. Oh, ya, a small white dog too. You gotta problem with that???? ;D Rick D.
 
Sep 24, 1999
1,511
Hunter H46LE Sausalito
Okay, Okay!

Don, indeed, has a point. And I'd like to point out that my H410, of happy memory, once won a pursuit-format beer can race against 30-some boats, including a J130, a J105, two Catalina 42mkIIs, a Juneau 40, a C&C 37, an Oyster 48.5, and a Beneteau First 40.7, this despite the fact that we were liveaboards and had 300' of 5/16" BBB in the chain locker. This victory didn't happen because I was the fastest boat on the course. Nooooo. It so happens that I was the only one to read a shift at the start, and was therefore the only boat to cross the line with spinnaker hoisted. Not to mention that we were able to fetch the windward mark without tacking. Not to mention that we caught a second shift and were able to throw up the chute again on the last leg. (Not to mention that our furling main was a tri-radial laminate with vertical battens, and that we had a folding prop.) Sigh. A great race, and even better to win it in an H410. And even better to win it with the Admiral working foredeck. I didn't have to buy myself a beer at the yacht club for weeks. Heaven. Were I a die-hard racer, would I own my H46? No way! Were I circumnavigating, would I own my H46? Probably not. But I'm just a dottering college prof coming up on his 30th wedding anniversary who can't afford a custom yacht and who is very much aware that the Admiral, with whom he is madly in love, owns as large a share of this boat as he does. Is my Hunter the perfect boat for the two of us? You bet! And part of that is that we've got the nicest galley in the south bay. So don't knock it.
 
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