U.S. State of Residency while cruising

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Dec 29, 2008
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Treworgy 65' LOA Custom Steel Pilothouse Staysail Ketch St. Croix, Virgin Islands
What are all the factors which one should consider in choosing a state of residency during extended cruising? Are there U.S. states which provide clear benefits over others? I'm sure among the considerations are income taxes, personal property taxes, etc. What else? And, how do these various factors relate to the cruiser? For example, what are the ramifications of time in or out of the state, "value" of the vessel, source of income (earned, unearned, etc.)? What am I completely unaware of that will come back to bite me? Don't forget territories as well, if they are practical alternatives.

I would appreciate input from those who actually KNOW, who would recommend for or against various states. Please provide actual rates for considerations such as taxes, fees, etc.

Thank you!
 
Nov 29, 2011
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none none 39.23N 88.51W
Some suggestions

If you are considering all of the costs, taxes, slip rental, overall cost of living, etc. then I would highly recommend states on the gulf coast. Overall, the cost of living is much less. Fla. west coast is included in this overall assessment. Texas has no state income tax. The marina in Port Lavaca, Tx. has a rate of 3 bucks per foot/month for live aboards, plus I think 30 per person and power. I spent some time in far S. Texas a few years ago. 80 a month for live aboard, power and water included. No property tax on the boat. There are various property tax rates, but you will find that most states have very low rates, or none. In some instances, if the boat is over a certain age, it is exempt. Most will require you to have state registration, even if the boat is documented, but these are pretty reasonable. For example, registration of a 36 footer in La. is 73 bucks, good for three years. I'm sure you will get plenty of other ideas and info. Time to do some research.
 
Dec 2, 1999
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Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Two major factors:

1. Taxes (especially when they are going to tax you and you don't live there)
2. Voting (get rid of the SOB's that are raising #1).
 
May 28, 2009
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Hunter 376 Pensacola, FL
Florida has no state income tax or personal property tax. To the best of my knowledge no one cares how long or how often you are actually in the state, but you will have to have a valid Florida address to claim Florida residency, and getting a local drivers license would probably be required as well. I don't think you can claim residency based on a PO box or a drop box type address; they do require a valid physical address for the driver's license. Do you have a plan for establiishing a local address? Family in the state maybe?

You will have to register your boat (and your dinghy if it has an outboard), but the cost is nominal. I think we pay less than $75 a year for our 34 footer.
 
Apr 29, 2011
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Finnsailer 38 Massachusetts
Wow! Many factors to consider. Some states with no or low income tax do have other taxes that can hit you. However, many cruisers choose Florida for its lack of income tax, moderate sales and use tax (6% in general), lower cost of living, great boating facilities of all types and prices, and best access to favorite cruising grounds in the Bahamas and the Caribbean. Many long-timers use St. Brendan's Isle mailing service as their "home" address, and they get their licenses, registrations, etc. through Green Cove Springs using that address. In general, because Florida is home to so many folks from other places, the bureaucracy is set up to accommodate you. Some states, like New York, do not look kindly on folks trying to leave their taxing regime, so you have to deliberately move your domicile and residency by doing things like cancelling all bank accounts in your home state, filling out a declaration of residency, moving your driver's license and car registration, and then proving that you are actually spending time there. For many of us, it is more convenient to keep all these things going wherever our former residency was. A trusted relative can help handle your banking and maybe act as your "home" address. If your income is low, you probably won't have to worry much about income tax whatever state you are in. On the other hand, some states, like South Carolina, tend to have a high property tax on boats, so that could be a consideration, while other states demand a use tax from you if you keep the boat there for more than 60 or 90 days (Maryland). One thing I highly recommend if you are leaving the USA is to arrange your affairs so that everything looks just like an ordinary person who doesn't live aboard a boat, in order to slip through worldwide bureacracy with the least hassle. This includes having your addresses match on everything, and having an ordinary sounding street address. Have a photo driver's license somewhere that matches your other ID, and figure out what it takes to renew it if you are far from home. Plan it so that you can live without regular mail delivery. 99% of important bills etc. can be handled online, but certain things like the USCG documentation still come in the mail once a year and must be dealt with. My annual life insurance can only be paid by check via the mail, for example. So wherever your address is, make sure someone is there who can handle important stuff. I have also found it very useful to have someone there who can actually walk into my bank and straighten out problems when they occur--online banking is great 99% of the time, but once in awhile something comes up that is much easier to solve if someone is a co-signer on your account. It is also highly desirable to have your "home" be located somewhere you can return to on your boat, or at least reasonably close for those times when you have to show up at the motor vehicle bureau because they are insisting you must take the eye exam and get your photo taken for the new license. This isn't critical and a lot of people find ways around these things, but even RVers seem to pick places they wouldn't mind actually driving to once in awhile when the only way to sort things out is face to face. Otherwise, you might want to consider some of the states the RVers use as "homeports," like South Dakota. I could go on and on.
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Here is a Good One that Most do not Think to Consider

Mississippi

No taxes on retirement income and no registration on documented boats.
 
Apr 29, 2011
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Finnsailer 38 Massachusetts
One factor I think is very important is where you would like to be tied to, where you might want to go back to, and where you feel good about calling "home." There is more to life than taxes and fees!
 
Jun 5, 2010
1,123
Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
Being in one of the most expensive states in which to live, own a house, drive a car, and buy things (New Jersey) I find all of this information fascinating! Thanks for all the good news.

A long time ago in the back of like Cruising World was an advertisement saying, 'Register your car in Montana!' --and provided a source of details of how to do that. I know people who have (for reasons perhaps unfathomable) relocated to the East Coast from the Midwest and still manage to hang onto their car registration and plates. I did enquire about registering mine in North Carolina, since I expect to be working there, and found that all the anti-terrorism, Homeland Security fears have pervaded this onetime nirvana as well. However to register your boat there you just fill in a form and send in $15 a year. Hmmm.
 
Oct 6, 2008
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Hunter, Island Packet, Catalina, San Juan 26,38,22,23 Kettle Falls, Washington
Be aware that some states will require you to pay sales tax on your boat if the state it was previously registered in had a lower tax than the state you plan to adopt if you re-register it to the new home address..
We lived in Washington state, our licenses to drive and mailing address stayed there. We bought and registered our 38' boat and dink in Alabama and paid our sales tax and yearly registeration to Alabama. We lived where-ever while cruising. It saved an unholy amount of sales tax and was totally legit. They said that our yearly $13 fee for the dink would be mailed to Washington state and we would just mail the check to Alabama. The 38' boat was documented and Washington state had no income taxes during that time.
We sold the boat before returning to Wa. state.
 

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Feb 22, 2006
1,164
Catalina 310 Cape May, NJ
Being in one of the most expensive states in which to live, own a house, drive a car, and buy things (New Jersey) I find all of this information fascinating! Thanks for all the good news.
Exactly why I'm outta here in about 9 years!
 
Jun 11, 2004
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Oday 31 Redondo Beach
One thing to watch out for is making sure you sever all ties with the prior state of residence you are leaving. Some states, like California, have strict rules on becoming a non resident. They don't like it when taxpayers leave. Especially when they say they are goiong to a low / no tax state like Florida, Washington Texas... If you keep too many ties to the old state they might still consider you a resident.
 
Nov 26, 2008
1,970
Endeavour 42 Cruisin
Consider health insur
If you are young & healthy, any state will have carriers that will write you a policy.
But if you have any, ANY, health risks, many states will be impossible to get coverage. Some states have laws requiring the insurance cos must cover you. Some states have high risk pools that you would land in. Most states do not.

I know of someone in good health, just slightly overweight who was turned down by 4 insurance cos in Florida. Most states do NOT have a guarantee issue law. And the only way to find out is move there/become a resident, and then apply for coverage.

If you are over 50, consider domicile in one of the few states where you are guaranteed coverage. There are lists of these states on the internet.
 
Dec 8, 2007
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-mac 26M -26M tucson-san carlos mx
read on a cruiser forum about a company in florida that services crusiers that claim florida residency. you use their physical address, and they manage your mail vehicle registrations driver license,pay any fee's you owe to other states or florida and forward you mail via different media methods.you just maintain an impound account with them and cruise and they maintain you citizenship in florida, of course there is a fee.
 
Nov 6, 2009
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Hunter 37 FL
read on a cruiser forum about a company in florida that services crusiers that claim florida residency. you use their physical address, and they manage your mail vehicle registrations driver license,pay any fee's you owe to other states or florida and forward you mail via different media methods.you just maintain an impound account with them and cruise and they maintain you citizenship in florida, of course there is a fee.
We use SBI for mail forwarding when we cruise for longer than a month since USPS will only hold mail for a month. They are very service oriented and they also do Florida residency for cruisers, but we don't use that feature since we are Florida residents. You should look at their demo that shows how you can view your mail online, it works great. Also, if you are a member of SSCA, you get 3 free months. http://www.sbimailservice.com/mail_services.htm
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
4,905
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
As a full time cruiser, this has been a thorn in our sides. We have NO residency address, period. The boat is our only home & the only ties to a state is our driver's licenses & a PO Box. Many states will let you have a different mailing address from your driver's license address, which is how we get mail from the DMV. I'm going to check out a USVI driver's license next week.
All the suggestions above are useful, but the practical reality is if you don't have a residence, you are not normal & therefore you have to pretty much feel out what works best for you.
Our boat has a SC home port on the stern because the USCG lets you put anything you wish back there & Due West, SC seemed cool. But SC wouldn't let us register there unless we undocumented the boat; no way for international travel!
It took the USCG many years to accept a PO Box on our document, but they do now.
Caution; Florida has a wicked use tax, don't be fooled by cheap registration.
If you are going to be a full time international cruiser, you are going to become a very un-liked person with the powers that be. The best option is a mail box place with a street address, but what happens if they go out of business? I personally do not wish to inflict our mail forwarding on my family so I just use the PO Box forwarding system when we're somewhere long enough to get mail.
Good luck & welcome to the Bohemian lifestyle.
 
Apr 29, 2011
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Finnsailer 38 Massachusetts
By the way, look up the term "domicile" and you will find that most (all?) states say that your domicile doesn't change if you leave the state, even for years, unless you establish a domicile in a new state. So, whether or not you consider yourself a resident or not, you may still be domiciled in whatever state you last lived in, whether you like it or not, and you may still be liable for the taxes that state wants to collect from you, whether you like it or not. I also believe that if you are a citizen of the USA you have to be domiciled in one of the states, again whether you like it or not. I believe the only way to cut your ties completely with one of the states is to renounce your US citizenship and establish citizenship elsewhere.
 
May 28, 2009
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Hunter 376 Pensacola, FL
Caution; Florida has a wicked use tax, don't be fooled by cheap registration.
I've lived in Florida most of my life and have owned both sail and power boats for twelve years now. Never heard of this use tax you mention, much less a killer one. Please explain.
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
4,905
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
robertsapp
When I lived there, there was a steep sales tax on boats (lots of people did the actual sale in the Bahamas to avoid this, so to counter this Fla instituted the "Florida waters use tax". If you were bringing one in, even to go to a big ticket boat yard, or just cruising, there is (was) the "Florida waters use tax" after 30 days. It's pretty hard for Fla to get everyone, but if they do get you.....
 
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