Two dipsticks on my diesel?

Nov 11, 2021
41
Lancer 30-2 Marina Del Rey
I am new to diesels and have a 1977 Lancer with what I believe to be the original Yanmar motor. I am not certain but think it is a SB12. I can't locate any identifying numbers or plates on the visible parts of the motor. I did locate a possible serial number on an original document, which I sent to Yanmar. They could only confirm that the motor with this serial number is a 1977 model. All other records are lost.
I've had the boat for about three months and take it out two or three times a week. All told, I have probably put about 100 hours on the motor, and it runs great. Lately, I have noticed that it is smoking more than it used to. This should have been a clue that the motor was burning more oil. I had gotten lazy about checking the oil level, because it had remained constant the first twenty or so times that I checked it.
Last time we were going out, the low-pressure alarm was going off intermittently and the gauge indicated a drop in pressure from around 35 to below 10, the alarm would sound, and then the pressure would go up, and the alarm would stop. I shut down and checked the oil, and instead of being in the middle of the dipstick, the level was barely visible at the bottom. (This is the dipstick at the top of the engine). So, I climbed into the bilge to open the lower oil plug to add oil. There, I was surprised to find that the lower oil cap had a dipstick too. This dipstick indicated the oil was full. I don't know diesels but do have confidence in my dip-stick-reading abilities and decided to go with the upper dip stick reading.
I doubt the lower cap with the dipstick is original. It is bright yellow plastic and it reads "oil" on one side and has characters which appear to be Hanzi on the other. It is difficult to see--even with a flash light, so I have no picture of it. I reached in with my left hand and guided a rubber hose into the opening, and held a funnel in the other end of the hose with my right, while my partner poured the oil. I thought all the oil went into the opening, but was wearing a rubber glove and am not sure. I checked the oil level with the upper dip stick, which indicated a higher level for the oil, so I started the motor, the oil pressure was normal and there was no alarm, so we went out for a sail.
On the way back into port, we were motor-sailing into the harbor, healed about 8 degrees, and the alarm started to go off again. When we dropped the main, the boat flattened out and the alarm went silent. Once docked, I checked the level on the upper dip stick and it was barely visible again. I checked the bilge, and instead of clear water from my packing-gland drip, I had an oily mess. I was thinking that I must have an oil leak somewhere in the engine. But during cleanup, I noted that the oil was too clean to have been run through the motor. My thought is that some of the oil I added must have leaked out onto the floor of the bilge. (The contorted position I needed to maintain was somewhere between boat-yoga and pilates-with-purpose, so a little spillage could go undetected. I exited the bilge with torn blue jeans and blood on my forehead).
Next, I got a thin funnel and added the next quart of oil directly into the upper dip stick hole. I took a pic of the level, which is attached. I then ran the motor for about twenty minutes with an oil pressure of around 35 and no alarms and no apparent leaks.
Here is my question. There is no calibration for "full" or "add" on the dipstick. How do I know when it is full, and am I right to ignore the lower dipstick? I have read posts where people have gotten inconsistent readings from the same dip stick on their diesels. Is this possible?
My thoughts are to put more oil in so it reads at the middle of the dipstick. As long as there is no more oil in the bilge, I should be go to go. Does anyone have any other ideas? Barring any obvious leaks, my next step will be to remove all the oil and ad the 3 1/2 liters that "owners manual" reads. I use quotes, because I have no way to verify that I have the right manual.
I put a call into the last diesel mechanic who worked on the motor, but his is semi-retired and not likely to call me back.
 

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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
22,959
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Do you tthink you are looking at an Engine Oil dipstick and a Transmission Oil dipstick?

Diesels are pretty forgiving. Not wanting much to run efficiently. Remember the cautionary statement made by Capt. Ron. All diesels use a lot of oil.
 
Nov 11, 2021
41
Lancer 30-2 Marina Del Rey
jssailem said "Do you tthink you are looking at an Engine Oil dipstick and a Transmission Oil dipstick? "

I must be. So if I overfilled my transmission with SAE 30 motor oil, What will happen? Do I need to pump out the oil?
 
May 17, 2004
5,602
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
The SB12 manual at http://www.varen4u.nl/pdfs/yanmar/SB8_SB12.pdf does seem to say there are separate ports for adding crank case and transmission oil, so that’s probably what you’re seeing. The manual isn’t clear on dipstick location, so no help there. It also looks like the transmission takes the same type of oil as the engine, so it’s not like you did damage by mixing oil with transmission fluid.

If you’ve run the engine for 100 hours it’s probably worth doing an oil change anyway. Drain both and fill them to the right levels. Then you’ll be starting fresh and able to get a better idea on how the levels move and if there are any leaks.

Generally having too much oil isn’t a good thing. If the level is too high the moving parts might foam it up and reduce its lubricating ability, so if you do overfill it’s best to get to the right level.

Also, when checking level with a dipstick, don’t just take out the dipstick and read the first level. Wipe it clean, reinsert, then take it out again to check. Sometimes the first reading will be wildly inaccurate depending on how the oil sits in the dipstick tube. For some engines it’s also recommended that you wait 15 minutes after shutdown before checking the level, so the oil can run down to the pan from everywhere up above. That doesn’t seem to be mentioned in the SB12 manual, but I know it’s recommended for the much later YM series.
 
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jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
22,959
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
:plus: What @Davidasailor26 says. Manuals can be so helpful. Great to read in the evening this time of year. I get images of engine parts, dancing in my head.

Do the images here show the two dip sticks you found on the Engine?
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They call the lower one the clutch case and the upper the Crankcase. They are showing the fill locations. The dip sticks are usually located nearby. Sometimes the clutch case fill has the dip stick in the fill cap.

With the oil and filter costs being negligible compared to other boat maintenance items, changing all of them at this point would be advised. That way you will have a known condition to start from in setting up your maintenance plan.

Good Luck and safe sailing.
 
Oct 26, 2010
2,123
Hunter 40.5 Beaufort, SC
Important note on the how to check the level on the clutch/transmission case. Unscrew and remove the clutch dipstick. Wipe it clean and then insert BUT DO NOT SCREW IN. Remove and check the level. If your oil is clean (as mine is) its very hard to see the actual level. I either feel for the oil on the dip stick or place a scrap of paper towel against the dipstick and it will show where the level is on the stick.

Like others have said, good time to drain and refill both and start new. The oil in your bilge when you propably overfilled the transmission probably came from that. Hopefully you didn't blow out a seal or some other relief point in the transmission. I'm not sure of how oil would get out of the transmission if it was overfilled and then the oil heated up. It is a sealed system as far as I know.
 
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Dec 14, 2003
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Hunter 34 Lake of Two Mountains, QC, Can
''I doubt the lower cap with the dipstick is original. It is bright yellow plastic and it reads "oil" on one side and has characters which appear to be Hanzi on the other.''
FYI, if you google Yanmar SB12 diptick and then click on images, you'll get a lot of pictures of different dipsticks, one of which is very similar to what you describe as the lower cap.
 

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Oct 26, 2010
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Hunter 40.5 Beaufort, SC
Once you get it all straightened out and at the right level on both the engine and the gear box check out to see if you have any "seal leaks". Might be hard to find though. What has me saying that is that you said in your initial post:

"I checked the bilge, and instead of clear water from my packing-gland drip, I had an oily mess. I was thinking that I must have an oil leak somewhere in the engine. But during cleanup, I noted that the oil was too clean to have been run through the motor. My thought is that some of the oil I added must have leaked out onto the floor of the bilge."

The oil in my gear box is very clean, even after 100 hours, so when you said the oil was "too clean" then it leads me to believe it is oil from the gear box, or as you said, maybe spillage from when you filled it. Unless you got really messy filling it I wouldn't expect an "oily mess" like you described. Not to alarm you but I"d be very careful for awhile and frequently check the gear oil level (lower dip stick) to make sure you are not losing it out of a seal leak.
 
Nov 11, 2021
41
Lancer 30-2 Marina Del Rey
Thanks everybody! Upon further examination, I think there are three dipsticks on my boat: One for the motor, one for the transmission, and one is me. I am the third dipstick! I tried to fill my crankcase by putting SAE30 into my transmission. Luckily, my transmission uses 30 weight oil. In my own defense, I had never heard of a transmission with an oil cap that reads "oil".
I checked my clutch dipstick (the one Claude L.-Auger posted a pic of) and the oil level is about an inch above full. I purchased a dipstick oil change pump and plan to remove the excess. The oil is so clean I had to try several times to even see the level. I will use a paper towel next time.
The oil in the motor and transmission had been professionally changed right before I bought the boat, and there still appear to be no leaks. I will be monitoring it carefully. My bilge does not seem to have any oil in it. I will run the motor for a few miles and check for oil.
The only real question I have left is where is the full level on the crankcase dipstick and the clutch dipstick (I posted a pic). At this point, I have added two quarts of oil and the level is not quite in the middle. If the level should be at the upper end, I will keep adding oil. I am just not sure of how much...
 
Jan 7, 2011
5,497
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
We have had a “dipstick” moment….but I should ask…do you know for sure where the fuel, water and waste deck fills are? You REALLY don’t want to confuse these and put in the wrong thing :yikes:

Aren't new boats fun!

Greg
 
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Aug 2, 2009
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Catalina 315 Muskegon
I confess, I did not have the fortitude to read the original paragraph free post.