Two Captains, One Boat--is this really possible?

Dec 29, 2008
805
Treworgy 65' LOA Custom Steel Pilothouse Staysail Ketch St. Croix, Virgin Islands
Absolutely not, IMO.
One person, if capable, must keep all the factors in mind and make the ultimate decision based on those factors. And take the responsibility for them.
I allow input on any vessel I operate from any knowledgeable person, but after taking them into consideration, the final decision is mine.
100% correct, and Warren's previous observation as well. Indecision can get you in serious trouble. It is great to have others with lots of experience on board, who can make observations and suggestions, but as soon as an argument occurs about the decision, or a hesitation when given a command to reef a sail, drop an anchor, start the engine, throw a line, release a line, or get your hands or feet inside the boat, and it delays the action being taken, then it is a recipe for disaster. A prudent captain may take all the input he has time for, but then has to make a decision before it is too late for the action to be effective. As others have said, it is easy when everything is going well, nice weather, no traffic, and you're just trying to decide which island to anchor by next. When the stuff hits the fan, everyone needs to understand who is in charge.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Referring back to the Sail article, we have the absurd and unsupported remark: "Maritime history is filled with stories of inept captains who, unable or unwilling to relinquish control, forged ahead against the better judgement of others.":rolleyes: An "inept" captain unwilling to relinquish control? This kid (the author) must be watching (and accepting) too many Hollywood versions designed to create movie tension. After all, there has to be a good guy and a bad guy for a scenario. Reminds me of the strife portrayed between the captain and mate of the Essex in: In the Heart of the Sea. Or maybe that little scene from The Finest Hours where the skipper of the doomed tanker maintained course and speed against the advice of the Chief, etc. Or perhaps that scene in The Caine Mutiny where Queeg froze during a typhoon, refusing to come about, head to sea, and was relieved by his XO to "save the ship." And don't forget Run Silent, Run Deep where the skipper, Capt. Richardson, was being harassed by the crew and his XO for his decision to attack the Akikaze in the Bungo Strait. The immortal line from commander Bledsoe to Richardson: "You're through playing with people's lives." Do folks really believe this made-up stuff? That a sea captain should or might "relinquish" his/her command to a crew member with less authority in a time of crisis b/c he or some other crew become frightened?:what:

What about: "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" Or, Columbus's refusal to turn the Santa Maria about b/c of a frightened and mutinous crew? Then of course--the eternal: "I have not yet begun to fight!" OMG--Captain Jones, it's a bigger boat with more guns of greater range--we should strike (our colors) now!! Mercy, mercy! You're being pig-headed!! We need a conference!!?? I remember reading that Magellan rounded up and executed his mutineers before proceeding through the Straits that bear his name to the completion of the world's first circumnavigation. (Of course, he did not make it himself.) So, what is this "maritime history" I wonder.
 
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Jun 4, 2009
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Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
You want another what if question? A USCG licensed 100 ton Master Captain comes along in a coastal passage on a sailboat captained by the owner which is not licensed. The boat encounters foul weather but the owner remains in command and has to make a critical decision on weather to run for shelter or stay and ride it out. The licensed captain indicates he has to put on a life jacket as he could place his license in jeopardy if it was found out latter that he did not. If something bad happened who would bear the most responsibility?




I believe the owner who was in command. Nothing happened, we stayed and rode it out and our friend, a river boat Captain, deferred to us as we had more experience in sailboats and open water sailing. You could tell our friend was alert enough to consider the implications to his license.
This is a very interesting question. I'd be really interested to know what a call to the Coast Guard would bring. If I am aboard a vessel, but not in command, I have never considered myself a responsible party. However I have, before becoming licensed, hired a "paper captain" to keep things legal while I was in command. Before departing the dock it was made very clear that I would never relinquish command to the "paper captain", no matter the circumstances.
When I became a PADI Divemaster it was suggested to me that I was now responsible for any diver in the water for miles around, whether they were from our boat or not. It made me very uncomfortable, but the reality was that there was no court or governing body that could hold me accountable for those beyond my control.
Commercial pilots often 'hitch a ride' on commercial aircraft, but I've never heard of one usurping the designated pilot's authority.
I hope someone will come back with an answer on this one.
 
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