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pokey

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Nov 9, 2007
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mac 25 25 Newport, Oregon
Hello, I'm Very much a beginner. I'm in the process of reading The Sail Trim and Users Guide, by Don Guillette. Regarding the mainsail controls, I don't think I have a traveler, 1980 Mac 25. The term moving the traveler up or down is throwing me. One of my questions is, at the end of mainsail boom there are twin pullies and a couple of cleats, there is also a pulley on both port and starboard side near the transom. One has a one way gripper thing that locks (holds) the line tight,sorry about the verbage. Anyway is this my mainsheet?? Regarding jib trim, I'm aware of the fairleads fore and aft adjustments but the inboard & outboard adjustment I'm not seeing?? Any help with would be appreciated. Thanks,& Merry Christmas From: Newport,Oregon.
 
May 5, 2006
1,140
Knutson K-35 Yawl Bellingham
I had the same issue with my V-21.

Yes, that's the mainsheet. I used a bungee hooked to the outhaul loop to pull my main windward of the centerline when beating. I've since installed the Harkin small boat system and the difference in control is astounding. It's the best upgrade I did on the boat. By moving the traveler up, you're moving the boom to windward. Down is to leeward. About the best you can hope for with the stock mainsheet system on the older Mac's is to sheet in tight and get the boom within about 10* of the centerline, unless ya use a tweaker/bungee to pull it higher to windward. The bungee I used was a heavy black rubber one, the same one I tied down the mast with when trailering. As far as fairleads, you probably only have fixed cleats for the jib sheet like my Venture and no Genoa tracks. With Genoa tracks you can move the fairleads forward or aft and then adjust your sheets inboard or outboard from there. With your setup, all you can do is trim or ease depending on wind strength and whether or not you want power or speed trim with your jib. Good luck with your adventure. The Mac is a great first boat and what ya learn now will serve ya well if ya upgrade like I did.
 

pokey

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Nov 9, 2007
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mac 25 25 Newport, Oregon
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CharlieCobra, Tanks for the input, you helped clear things up, its always great when it all start making sense. Merry Christmas to ya. Mike, Newport, Oregon.
 
Nov 12, 2006
256
Catalina 36 Bainbridge Island
Pokey

Some boats are equipped with jib fairleads (or tracks) on the rail, as well as on the deck. So one set would be outside of the life lines, and the other would be inside. Fore and aft adjustment in done on tracks. Another method of adjusting the jib sheets is called tweaking. This is where you would have another line with a block (pulley) on the end. The jib sheet would go through this block between the sail and the jib fairlead. The line is used to pull the jib sheet in toward the center line of the boat. Making for tighter sheeting angles.
 
Jun 7, 2004
383
Schock 35 Seattle
Vang

On boats like the Macs that do not have travelers you can use the vang--which is that block and tackle arrangement that runs diagonally from the base of the mast to the bottom of the boom. If you have streamers--ribbons on the back of the leech--you can use the vang to adjust for sail flatness then use the sheet to move the sail for angle of attack.
 
May 5, 2006
1,140
Knutson K-35 Yawl Bellingham
Heck, my big boat doesn't have a vang.

I'll probably build one when I can find the correct bronze goodies.
 
Nov 12, 2007
7
Irwin 33 Oriental, NC
Getting Help

Mike I would suggest you take a class or get someone near where you slip your boat to go out with you on the boat a few times. There are many clubs around any place that has sail boats. Also try to find some one that has a boat liike yours would be best. Rick
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Traveler Adjustment

Pokey: Thank you for buying my book and chart. Let me explain how some of the terms I used came into being. Most of my material is directed towards beginners to high intermediates. I have conducted “On The Water” seminars where 5 or 6 folks go through every position (driver, jib trimmer, mainsheet timer) on the boat. We start out closehauled and get the boat up to full speed. At that point the boat is stopped and I mess up all the controls. The folks change position and we do it all over again until everyone has experienced closhauled,. Next we go to reaching and eventually to running. The first hour looks like a Chinese fire drill but at the end of the 4th hour, on the closehaul run back to the marina, I’ll stack the set of their sails against anyone in the harbor. I could use the terms leeward and windward for my command, and I used to, but all I’d get would be blank looks. “ Up and down” instruction for the traveler, when the boat is heeled over are obvious. Port and starboard tacks were another problem. I solved that by putting an “S” on the right side of the boom and a “L” on the left side. All the folks in the cockpit had to do was look at the boom and if they saw an “S” they knew they were on starboard tack. Inboard and outboard tracks: Most boats have only one set but serious racers have both. My Catalina30 had outboard tracks, which are fine for reaching or running. For closehauled work you need the inboard tracks. I solved the problem by use of a Barberhauler. Most production boats now have inboard tracks. Why they switched is beyond me. Keep punching your way through the book. There is a lot to digest. The first chapter is the most important. If you do not completely understand draft depth, draft position, twist and angle of attack then sail trim will never make any sense. If you have any questions about any of the material just email at yankee3223@juno.com or call me at (520) 818-2891. I’ll do my best to answer your questions. Many years ago, my wife and I got back into sailing. Actually, I was sick of my children bringing back our power boat in pieces!! They hate sail boats. They are too slow for them and that is just fine with me. Anyway, the sailboat we bought was a MacGregor22. I later sold that boat for a Catalina25 and then sold that for a Catalina30. The Mac22 was a fun boat.
 
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