Traveler on 79 H30 Cherubini

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
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1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
I am setting my running rigging up on my project H30 boat. I decided to go with a 6:1 mainsheet with triple blocks instead of the original 4:1 using fiddle blocks. This is one of the Hunter Cherubini's that has the traveler across the companionway (not on the cabin top). The car is locked by 2 spring loaded pins that can be slid into detents along the rail. Question is, is this setup hard to adjust manually when under load? I can see myself fighting it to get it adjusted. I considered getting a Garhauer cabin top traveler but down the road a ways. I do like the fact the sheeting is connected towards the end of the boom....maybe 3' from the end with this original setup. Is the mainsheet a pain to deal with being in front of the companionway?
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Question is, is this setup hard to adjust manually when under load? I can see myself fighting it to get it adjusted. I considered getting a Garhauer cabin top traveler but down the road a ways
Manually under load? Impossible. Do your Garhauer thing sooner rather than later. Only other options I see are:

1. Keep the traveler car centered. Eventually rotten sail trim when going upwind or downwind. Works some of the time.

2. Drop the traveler BEFORE you tack doing upwind, then put in the new high side before your tack. I do with our 6:1 Garhauer sometimes, rather than pulling it up after the tack when singlehanding.
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
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1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
Thanks Stu. It's kind of a strange setup for sure.
Any of my fellow Cherib-uddies out there that can chime in and let me know how this original traveler setup is working for ya?
 
Jun 5, 2010
1,123
Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
What Stu said.

I prefer having block-and-tackle adjustment on the traveler car. On our Raider 33 we had a 2:1 system; it was patently inadequate. I use to play it in and out during races to control heel angle; it did not slow the boat down when on the wind.

I built a bridge deck on my H25 for the traveler but have not found the funds to buy the Schaefer one yet. Since I planned this, Schaefer changed the old system to one with cheesy-looking black alumium plates under the control blocks instead of the nifty little cast-stainless 'track slides' that mounted at the ends of the track. No one is selling used ones on eBay. So I decided to make my own.

You can do this too, avoiding buying Garhauer stuff or anything else. Just get two double blocks, or double cheek blocks, which are better, and mount each one on a little plate of aluminum or G-10 (don't use any other metals; of course Starboard is insufficient for this). You can buy the Schaefer ones to match the rest of the boat or the ones at Dwyer Aluminum Mast (DAMCo), which look just like them and are cheaper. Mount these at the ends of the track-- just drill right through the blocks' pins and into the track-- and through-bolt these. The most important part of the backing block is at the ends of the traveler; make these bolts go through that. Then-- only then-- play with the control line and decide where you want to cleat it.

This is the biggest oversight in tackle-controlled traveler adjustments. Some people put the cam cleats vertically on the coaming, some horizontally, some on the deck/cockpit seat-- it all depends on who's going to be doing it and where he wants to sit. But the options are wide-open, since you don't have anything at all now. You might consider running them right back along the whole inside of the coaming (through bullseyes of course) to the back where you can reach it from the wheel.

The great benefit of control lines is that these, not the mainsheet, are what you need to adjust more often, and to greater effect, than the sheetline itself. This will prove self-tending in most cases, allowing you a very smooth way of going about, even if your two tacks are not at the same angles off the wind. Leave the sheet alone and just ease or trim the traveler lines. For this reason I would advocate not less than 3:1 control tackle on your 30-footer and suggest 4:1 (if you have the traveler-car sheaves for it).

Your move to 6:1 on the sheet itself is good. Mind that old fuzzy line will negate some of the benefit of having new blocks though!

On our Raider we had a double-ended sheetline, something my dad tended to draw for every boat that had a traveler at all. We had Harken ball-bearing rachet blocks, the lower one having a cam cleat. That was one end. The other end went up and ran forward under the boom, down to the mast base (there is no other point on the deck where this will work) and back along the deck to the winch at the hatchway. The cockpit end was for racing dinghy-style and in light air. The winch end was for heavy air. Of course you need a really good line stopper on the deck for this!

As an added feature, the mainsheet leading at a 45-degree angle down from the boom to the base of the mast precludes the need for a vang (yes. Really). We used our vang as a preventer instead. I won't do this on Diana as I don't have the winch room for another line on the cabintop; but I did consider it.

It's all up to how you want it. I would only strongly suggest that you decide how you want it first and then go looking for the hardware to make it happen. Hardware retailers love guys who come in not knowing just how to rig something. When I sold (almost said 'taught'!) at WM, I always tried to educate the guy first, then ask him how he wanted it now that he knew something. But most retailers won't do that; and of course online you won't even get a person.

Do let us know how you make out with this! :waycool:
 
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Nov 2, 2015
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hunter 30 bat n.c.
hello I have the same as you! Also I am a complete rookie. Would love to have all input on it Any advice on things that need a close look at would be appreciated. what engine do you have yanmar ?
 
Nov 2, 2015
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hunter 30 bat n.c.
Kito we spoke yesterday, ihave a ? about my rigging for the jib sail tension line on mine appear way to ig what is the best size? I am a complete rookie need help
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
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1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
I am not an expert on fiberglass work but if you are talking about the floor of your cockpit, I was unaware that it was even cored. It looks like a solid piece of molded fiberglass to me and not cored with plywood like the cabin top. Maybe someone can chime in to verify.
 
Nov 2, 2015
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hunter 30 bat n.c.
o.k I thought everything had wood between layers hopefully your right. you asked about marina yesterday did you get my response
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
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1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
Yes, I emailed Paul for more info but haven't got a response yet. I may be wrong about the floor. I just don't understand why they would core the floor. It's only a 18" wide span. 3/8" solid fiberglass is strong enough......that's how thick my outside layer of fiberglass is on my deck. I know the seating areas are not cored. The PO may have drilled holes along the crack to keep it from spreading. Sounds like he started something and didn't finish. You can always temporarily seal those holes until you're ready for a permanent fix.
 
Nov 2, 2015
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hunter 30 bat n.c.
were the holes are drilled are not all the way through but I hope your right it will be a lot easier to fix! ya paul is a very good person like I said it's a great place since you know it's right by the bridge you know what it looks like. 250 a month so not a bad price real quite there wich is a bonus
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
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1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
It probably is cored then if the holes are not through. Most likely drilled to let it dry out and was going to use some penetrating epoxy to stiffen it up. If the holes are now exposed to rain then the core is very wet. It needs to dry out first. I only been through Bath once. Seems like a quiet little town. I figured his little marina would have a waiting list.
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
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1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
Did this traveler post turn into a discussion of cored-deck repair?
It sure looks like it......kind of got off course :) I guess my traveler will have to be dealt with after I get her on the water. I just wonder if setting the traveler stops to each end of the track will be ok. Probably wouldn't need much mainsheet adjustment when changing tacks.
 
Jun 5, 2010
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Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
Kito, you are right; but they don't have to be, maybe shouldn't be, at the very ends. It all depends on your point of sail.

When I was 20-something I ran a small parts store in a local marina and a guy came in with a cynical/skeptical smirk and asked me where, 'in general', the traveler should be when sailing. I told him, 'It depends on your point of sail.'
'But just... in general,' he said.
I said, 'There is no hard rule. It depends on where the wind is, what your course is, how fast you want to go....'
'Yes, but... just, generally--?'

I realized the guy was baiting me. He wanted some long-haired kid to tell him something so, when he did that, he could blame the kid for bad advice. So I never make hard-and-fast rules about sail trim.

If you're on the wind and going through numerous tacks, back and forth at similar angles, set the stops to allow the car to be on-center or about 6-8" to either side. When going about, don't tend it; get the jibsheets first. When you get lifted, either bear off and maintain the same traveler and sheeting settings for the main (bad for your course-made-good), or else harden everything up (if you can). Trim the traveler, not the mainsheet, first. If you find this 6-8" is wrong, adjust it to both sides and keep to the same tack angles each time and see if you've improved it. This is mostly all trial-and-error. It depends on the wind, the current, your weight, your boat's weight, where you have stuff stowed, the condition of sails, your leech tension, backstay and headstay tension, whether you have end-boom or mid-boom sheeting, how much work you want to do, etc. etc. etc. and so on. You get the idea. Don't look for hard rules. Go sailing and keep your mind open to possibilities for learning.

My dad taught us all that sailing is always a learning adventure. He was a high-school dropout who worked as an aeronautics engineer at age 19 and would have made a wonderful professor. Someday I'll finish the book on his life and what he taught me. But what I'll always pass on is to be open to learning from everything you do. That's how people become smart.

'The definition of stupidity is the refusal to accept new knowledge when it's presented to you for free.' --my dad.

Go sailing and have fun. :cool:
 
Jun 5, 2010
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Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
BTW, I mentioned headstay tension. General rule (yes; I am going against what I just said earlier): if your headstay sags, resolve that before discussing anything at all about any other sail trim. This is a common condition of boats with (heavy) headsail furlers. Sagging headstays are the number-one cause of poor performance of a boat that appears to be otherwise well-trimmed. Fix the big problem first. :snooty: