Trailer brake fire!

Jan 22, 2008
551
NorSea 27 Az., Doing the To-Do list
Hello all,


We are towing Guenevere with our 2014 Pacific trailer.


We are out of the storage yard and about half way to Tampa. BUT...... Day before yesterday we had a break fire on the trailer. :eek::eek::eek::eek:


I caught it very fast, and with quick action by Jill and I, we had no damage to tires or boat. We are now waiting on parts for a fix. I posted a Youtube video on our page (https://youtu.be/vTdq4K9xH4U) so you can see some of the stuff.


Today, I JUST got back to the hotel room from working on the trailer. Still got greasy hands....


The two calipers on the right side were burnt. NO, ZIP, NADA pads left in them! Warn down to the metal plates.


I had the mech bring 4 new ones. If the right 2 were bad, how good could the left ones be. I now have 2 spare calipers with GOOD almost new pads in them! Now how can that happen?????

So, then we go to bleed the breaks. I hook my vacuum pump and can NOT get any fluid to flow to the calipers. SOOOoooo I use a big breaker bar to try to compress the surge box hitch. Will not move. So, we take out the bolts and it frees up. We put the bolts back in and re-mount it. I then try the vacuum again, no joy. I try compressing the surge piston a few times and NO fluid coming out of the calipers!



We removed the surge box, and when I took the break line off of the backup solenoid I got NO leakage at all!!


I had the mech take the surge box back to the trailer place in San Antonio (tomorrow AM) for a check and fix.


We still have a bit over 1,000 miles to go and I want it all working!!



What an adventure..................



Greg
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
5,669
AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
I've always enjoyed reading your posts but dang. Do I have a whole nother feeling about y'all now! I wish I could keep my cool and good humor like that just when the tire pressure gets a little low. Jeepers. How do you do it? I'm impressed! I couldn't believe you even thought to set up the video camera before tackling the blowout. And you hardly seemed even a bit annoyed by the brake fire. Y'all really must have what it takes to live your lifestyle.
 
Oct 3, 2006
1,016
Hunter 23 Philadelphia
It sounds like you need some washers between the hitch and the trailer, to keep the bolts from crushing it
 
Jan 22, 2008
551
NorSea 27 Az., Doing the To-Do list
I've always enjoyed reading your posts but dang. Do I have a whole nother feeling about y'all now! I wish I could keep my cool and good humor like that just when the tire pressure gets a little low. Jeepers. How do you do it? I'm impressed! I couldn't believe you even thought to set up the video camera before tackling the blowout. And you hardly seemed even a bit annoyed by the brake fire. Y'all really must have what it takes to live your lifestyle.
We take our towing like we do our cruising, nice, slow and easy. We did have the tow planned to run between the rain. Looks like we will be getting to drive a bit in it.

Sorry I didn't get pictures of the flames. They were SO high.......:eek:
But Jill thought it was better we put them out rather than video them. :naughty:

Greg
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
Greg glad everything is going to be ok ....that fire put new meaning to the fraze "Hot Wheels"
 
Jan 22, 2008
551
NorSea 27 Az., Doing the To-Do list
Greg glad everything is going to be ok ....that fire put new meaning to the fraze "Hot Wheels"
Thanks! GOOD ONE!!!!!!

Our son Ralph is a BIG GIG Hot Wheels collector. :D

I got to hit him with this one.

Greg
 
Aug 8, 2009
52
Catalina 30 MkII Forked River, NJ
What Brian is saying is that tightening the mounting bolts can crush the mounting flanges of the brake actuator against the coupler portion (the part that connects to the truck towing ball and slides into the housing to apply the brakes). It's usually the front bolt that causes the problem since the trailer tongue tube is open and weakest at the end. You can use two shorts bolts (one on either side) to securely fasten the actuator to the tongue tube without crushing the actuator and making it bind. The other choice is you can cut a piece of pipe the exact length of the inside of the tongue tube and slide the mounting bolt through it. Then when you tighten the bolt the pipe will prevent the tube and actuator housing from crushing.
Go to tiedown.com and browse their site for information on brake actuator mounting. They manufacture trailer parts including brake systems and have lots of pdf's available for downloading dealing with brake systems.
 
Jan 22, 2008
551
NorSea 27 Az., Doing the To-Do list
What Brian is saying is that tightening the mounting bolts can crush the mounting flanges of the brake actuator against the coupler portion ...... SNIP
Drazlou,

If you look at the video when I am checking the fluid level you can see my coupler (surge box). Also in the photo below. The parts that move in and out to actuate the system are inside a box and held in place by 4 metal dowel pins with snap rings on each side. You can see them below. There is no way to tighten them and prevent movement.



The bolts that mount the system to the tong of the trailer are under the box. There are no bolts that can be tightened that could limit the movement of the surge mechanism.

Greg
 

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Jun 2, 2004
3,507
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
A Tip Worth Mentioning Here

When you park your trailer make sure the surge brake actuator is all the way forward.

If left compressed the cylinder in the master cylinder or the wheel cylinders can become corroded and prevent them from returning keeping the brakes locked.

Not sure that is what is going on here but worth keeping in mind.
 
Jan 22, 2008
551
NorSea 27 Az., Doing the To-Do list
When you park your trailer make sure the surge brake actuator is all the way forward.

If left compressed the cylinder in the master cylinder or the wheel cylinders can become corroded and prevent them from returning keeping the brakes locked.

Not sure that is what is going on here but worth keeping in mind.
Thanks,

I WILL keep that in mind!

Greg
 
Jun 8, 2004
10,376
-na -NA Anywhere USA
I have read this a couple of times. First this is what I consider a new trailer being a 2014 model. That being the case, it should be under warranty.

There are several thngs that might have occurred but the first would be when the bearings were installed originally, how tight were they on the hub. If over tightened and/or lack of grease in the bearings theses are probably the likely cause of the failure.

With the surge unit itself and the brake line detached from it, will it pump fluid out? If so, I would look at the connection of the brake line hose attached to the drums to see if the heat build up may have damaged a nipple or solidified the fluid. Just thinking out of the box.

keep the parts and bills to include stay and file a claim with the manufacturer if it is still under warranty.

Good advice I gave to my customers. Go 20 miles, pull over, make sure all is secured and touch the drum. Yes there will be some minor heat but if really too hot, you have an issue. I always would pull over ever 100 mile to inspect. I had my share of trailer problems too. Once I had purchased a new trailer to tow back a new 34 footer and 25 miles out, everything was hot on the front axle. The boat was too far forward and limped back into the manufacturer slowly.
 
Jan 22, 2008
551
NorSea 27 Az., Doing the To-Do list
I have read this a couple of times. First this is what I consider a new trailer being a 2014 model. That being the case, it should be under warranty.

There are several thngs that might have occurred but the first would be when the bearings were installed originally, how tight were they on the hub. If over tightened and/or lack of grease in the bearings theses are probably the likely cause of the failure.

With the surge unit itself and the brake line detached from it, will it pump fluid out? If so, I would look at the connection of the brake line hose attached to the drums to see if the heat build up may have damaged a nipple or solidified the fluid. Just thinking out of the box.

keep the parts and bills to include stay and file a claim with the manufacturer if it is still under warranty.

Good advice I gave to my customers. Go 20 miles, pull over, make sure all is secured and touch the drum. Yes there will be some minor heat but if really too hot, you have an issue. I always would pull over ever 100 mile to inspect. I had my share of trailer problems too. Once I had purchased a new trailer to tow back a new 34 footer and 25 miles out, everything was hot on the front axle. The boat was too far forward and limped back into the manufacturer slowly.
Dave,

I wish that were the case. It would sure make it easy. As it is we got the trailer in 2012 and then towed the boat from Guaymas Mexico to the Phoenix Az. area. In Guaymas I was on and off the trailer MANY times setting the correct tong weight.
https://youtu.be/9FcG4H_dQyQ

We then towed back and forth to the San Francisco Bay area, and last year from Phoenix to New Orleans and then from Pensacola Fl. back to Phoenix. So, the trailer has been doing well. It has 4 disk breaks on 4 wheels and two idler wheels aft.

The wheel bearings are "The Vault" (See http://www.ufpnet.com/Portals/0/PDFs/Trailer Buddy VAULT Axle Maintenance.pdf) and the trailer has never seen the water, other than rain. We use a travel lift in and out.

Greg
 
Jun 8, 2004
10,376
-na -NA Anywhere USA
As a longtime sailboat dealer trailering sailboats all over the east coast, I too experienced brake failure a couple of times resulting in fire. It could be anything but again, I use to tell my customers always on a trip, the first 20 miles, pull over and check and the heat on the hubs is most important to check anyway. Then again every 100 miles. It is called safety. I wish I could be there to inspect but what I saw was what you said a 2014 Pacific trailer which is why I mentioned that.
 
Jan 22, 2008
551
NorSea 27 Az., Doing the To-Do list
As a longtime sailboat dealer trailering sailboats all over the east coast, I too experienced brake failure a couple of times resulting in fire. It could be anything but again, I use to tell my customers always on a trip, the first 20 miles, pull over and check and the heat on the hubs is most important to check anyway. Then again every 100 miles. It is called safety. I wish I could be there to inspect but what I saw was what you said a 2014 Pacific trailer which is why I mentioned that.
Sorry, my fat finger mistake! :doh: :doh:

Greg
 
Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
I know nothing about brakes or brake fluid, but I would be very interested to know if there was some kind of debris in the lines stopping the fluid flow.
 
Jan 22, 2008
551
NorSea 27 Az., Doing the To-Do list
Did you grease the hubs from time to time????????
Dave,

I have bearings made by Vault and they have no way to grease them. They are lifetime lubed.

We are now at the target yard and getting the boat ready. As soon as I get a few min I will write an update on all of it.

Greg
 
Dec 8, 2007
303
-mac 26M -26M tucson-san carlos mx
Pretty much just a lack of preventive maintenance issue. rollers in actuator corroded sticky or the caliber slider pins not lubricated, causing brakes to stay locked. Gotta maintain this stuff or pay someone else to do it for you, but this is what happens when you don't do anything.
 
Jun 8, 2004
10,376
-na -NA Anywhere USA
When I see bearings not requiring maintenance, I would be very careful on that issue. I would have grease fittings at least have buddy bearings. In addition, when the bearings were put on, do the tires still spin without wobbling by hand? If not, then the large nut holding the bearings in may have been overtightened and this caused a brake fire once on me due to heat build up from the friction after picking up a new trailer.
Once on a hydraulic (new) trailer, I had the whole 300 lb. tire and rim come off and roll across the road and came to rest at the front door of a Virginia DMV office due to bearings being held by an over tightened retaining nut. Not so funny at the time but damage did occur without injury. It scared the poop out of me. Fixed the trailer and took the mfg. to court.
 
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