My son, who is in junior college, has been looking for a C-22. We already have one, a 1980 with a swing keel, which we have had since it was new, and it is still fine. It still cleans up well every spring, and the hull shines like it did when it was new. Although the deck and cockpit currently need a good scrubbing thanks to the spiders, I know that it will look fine again once we scrub it. The interior is fine too. We have used it almost every summer since we got it, and I have to say that I enjoy it now as much as ever. What is tough for me to put into words is the condition of the boats that we are looking at for my son. The first two that we saw had about a foot of rainwater in them. To properly give the picture, the water was inside the walkwayinside the cabin, and filled the compartments under the cockpit approximately one foot deep. There was mildew growing on the liner under the windows, and the boats, of course, smelled. One of the two also had wasps living inside it. There were many good parts on these boats, however, and some were rigged and ready to sail. My son probably could have had either of these 2 boats for well under $1000, but realized that by the time he was done cleaning them up, he still wouldn’t have a very nice boat. We looked at another one that the owner wanted $4000 for, but had indicated that the price was negotiable. We got the idea that he would take $3000 for it before we even went to look at it. After we saw it, we determined that we would only offer $1800, which the owner declined, and looking back, we were both glad that he did. What concerned me most about this boat is that it appeared that the gel coat under the bottom paint was peeling or delaminating. Have any of you seen this type of gel coat delamination? It also had cracks that looked different than the ones on our boat. Our boat has a few “craze” marks, that is, very thin spider web like cracks, at areas that have been highly stressed. The cracks on this boat were much wider and deeper, and this concerns me. This boat was a 1976. I guess I just take for granted that everyone takes good care of his or her boat. I know that I do spend a good amount of time and energy maintaining ours. I have a list of things that I absolutely do every year before I put the boat into the water. I guess that if I ever let up on maintenance, my boat would look like the ones that we’re looking at. We will keep looking. My wife suggested that we look for a C-25, and give our son our boat. That sounds OK, but now I’ll probably start seeing the same kind of thing on the C-25s. Do any of you have any thoughts on this issue? I know that someone could say, “you only get what you pay for”, but I have several times gotten what I wanted just by looking long enough and hard enough. Aldo
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Hello Aldo, I went through this same thing last year when I was shopping for a C-22. I started looking at late 80's boats, and the boats I saw were junk. Then a 1981 appeared in the local paper. I thought it was too old, but since it was local I decided to take a look. It was beautiful, much nicer than boats 5+ years newer. And it was priced fairly, boat, trailer, good sails and outboard, etc, at $5000, I boughtit for $4500 and sold it in June for $4000. Do you need a trailer? I think you could get this boat for $3000. http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1100047&slim=quick& It has been there for about 2 years. I looked at it and it was very nice, but I needed a trailer. Good luck, Barry
Hello Aldo, I went through this same thing last year when I was shopping for a C-22. I started looking at late 80's boats, and the boats I saw were junk. Then a 1981 appeared in the local paper. I thought it was too old, but since it was local I decided to take a look. It was beautiful, much nicer than boats 5+ years newer. And it was priced fairly, boat, trailer, good sails and outboard, etc, at $5000, I boughtit for $4500 and sold it in June for $4000. Do you need a trailer? I think you could get this boat for $3000. http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1100047&slim=quick& It has been there for about 2 years. I looked at it and it was very nice, but I needed a trailer. Good luck, Barry
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I am in the process of trying to sell my C22 to move up in size and change of manufacturer. I purchased my boat 3 years ago from a German engineer who had kept it pristine. It is in wonderful condition and the only odor is from the gas tank, but opening the front hatch takes care of that in about 15 seconds. I showed it proudly to a man and his son last weekend and sailed with them so they could feel the boat. I think there are alot of us who take care of our boats and I would love to sell you mine because it is what you're looking for! (how's that for an unabashed sales pitch!)
I am in the process of trying to sell my C22 to move up in size and change of manufacturer. I purchased my boat 3 years ago from a German engineer who had kept it pristine. It is in wonderful condition and the only odor is from the gas tank, but opening the front hatch takes care of that in about 15 seconds. I showed it proudly to a man and his son last weekend and sailed with them so they could feel the boat. I think there are alot of us who take care of our boats and I would love to sell you mine because it is what you're looking for! (how's that for an unabashed sales pitch!)
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Aldo I feel the same way. We had a one year old one previous owner C22 in 1982. We spent a year looking for C25s in the later 80's and saw some real sh*t, and almost cried over the condition. We spent another year in the later 90's looking for "our" C34, and saw some really trashed boats. We DID finally find three pristine boats, but spent the time looking. Well, it seems boats are like that. And so are cars and houses and lots of other stuff. Don't dismay, but don't check out your neighbors' houses too closely either, you'd end up moving!!!
From the C34 website, Looking for a Used Boat: "My experience has been that a close observation of the seller and those things surrounding them can often give a clue as to the seller's approach to care & maintenance in general. Rare is the person who lets their car stay dirty, with leaking oil, grating brakes, etc., while meticulously caring for and maintaining their diesel engine & fiberglass boat. Spousal care & maintenance might be an exception." Good luck, Stu
Aldo I feel the same way. We had a one year old one previous owner C22 in 1982. We spent a year looking for C25s in the later 80's and saw some real sh*t, and almost cried over the condition. We spent another year in the later 90's looking for "our" C34, and saw some really trashed boats. We DID finally find three pristine boats, but spent the time looking. Well, it seems boats are like that. And so are cars and houses and lots of other stuff. Don't dismay, but don't check out your neighbors' houses too closely either, you'd end up moving!!!
From the C34 website, Looking for a Used Boat: "My experience has been that a close observation of the seller and those things surrounding them can often give a clue as to the seller's approach to care & maintenance in general. Rare is the person who lets their car stay dirty, with leaking oil, grating brakes, etc., while meticulously caring for and maintaining their diesel engine & fiberglass boat. Spousal care & maintenance might be an exception." Good luck, StuI've seen the same thing
I'm looking for a Catalina 22 or a Precision 23 or O'Day 222 or something along those lines. I've seen quite a few boats that do not in any way match the descriptions given by their owners. Most recently I looked at a Precision 23. It was described as "excellent" and "very good throughout". In reality, it was a piece of junk. I would say it was in "very poor" condition. He was asking $6,500 for it. I wouldn't have paid over $2,000 including the motor and trailer. It's worse now, because with all the boats destroyed in hurricanes down here, the owners will be buying anything with their insurance money. I'm sure prices of used boats will be bid up. Happy hunting. Chris I. Clearwater, FL
I'm looking for a Catalina 22 or a Precision 23 or O'Day 222 or something along those lines. I've seen quite a few boats that do not in any way match the descriptions given by their owners. Most recently I looked at a Precision 23. It was described as "excellent" and "very good throughout". In reality, it was a piece of junk. I would say it was in "very poor" condition. He was asking $6,500 for it. I wouldn't have paid over $2,000 including the motor and trailer. It's worse now, because with all the boats destroyed in hurricanes down here, the owners will be buying anything with their insurance money. I'm sure prices of used boats will be bid up. Happy hunting. Chris I. Clearwater, FL
Seller's tend to overstate
Aldo: My experience so far is that many sellers tend to overstate the condition of their boats. Nobody ever posts "fair" or "poor" condition in their ads. Yet many of the boats for sale are just that. I guess it is up to the buyer to view for themselves and judge the condition. Regards, Ted
Aldo: My experience so far is that many sellers tend to overstate the condition of their boats. Nobody ever posts "fair" or "poor" condition in their ads. Yet many of the boats for sale are just that. I guess it is up to the buyer to view for themselves and judge the condition. Regards, Ted
Bruce...
Bruce: I'm not ignoring you, it's just that we have started looking at C-25s. Please send a message to my home computer at aldo.camacci@comcast.net. (They don't appreciate the selling of boats on this fourm). Anyhow, my son would like to know the year of your boat and whether or not you have a trailer for it. He would also like to know approximately what price you had in mind. Thanks, Aldo
Bruce: I'm not ignoring you, it's just that we have started looking at C-25s. Please send a message to my home computer at aldo.camacci@comcast.net. (They don't appreciate the selling of boats on this fourm). Anyhow, my son would like to know the year of your boat and whether or not you have a trailer for it. He would also like to know approximately what price you had in mind. Thanks, Aldo
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