Topsides painting

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higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
I am going to paint my cabin top and am planning to use Interlux Perfection, though I am concerned the high gloss is going to make the 30 year old hull look dull It looks good now, but is not the high gloss finish that the paint is.

The other issue for me is preparing the non skid areas. The PO did a lousy paint job so I will have to sand it all off the smooth areas. Non skid, however, looks good and has adhered well. My thought is a good wire brushing of the non skid should give me a surface for the new paint to adhere. Opinions on this are sought.
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Are you using 'white'? I did mine with Toplac, a one-part, and mixed it 1/3 'off-white' to 2/3 'white'. You probably can't tell in the picture but it really does not look much different than the polished topsides( a rare thing ).
 

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May 31, 2007
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Hunter 37 cutter Blind River
A wire brush should do just fine. I have used Perfection before. Great paint and lasts really well. You can either roll and tip it or spray it. If tipping, a foam brush does really well but a badger is even better. Trick is to keep the tipping brush really wet with thinner. Make sure you have a cover over the boat to keep dew off. Even ten hours after application, dew will take off the shine.
 

Ed A

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Sep 27, 2008
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Hunter 37c Tampa
for my money i would not due high gloss on a deck. It is slippery, it reflects the sun.

For me in florida the worst sunburn i have ever seen came from a glossy new white deck and a three day trip. I would have been better off if i just put myself in the oven.
just some thoughts.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Ed S: I am going with a beige color assuming they have it. Your paint job looks great. How long ago did you do it?
 
Aug 28, 2007
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Hunter 33.5 Northern Neck, VA
I need some educating here. Why would you not clean the gelcoat and use fiberglass compound to restore the gloss of the gelcoat and then wax it. What is the reason for using the paint?
Confused
 
Jun 9, 2008
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- -- -Bayfield
Perfection is a great paint with good gloss retention, color retention, abrasion resistance, etc. and there is a flattening agent available for that paint. Use the Perfection straight on the smooth surfaces and tape off the nonskid area with a sharp, crisp line and you will love the results (round the corners, etc.). After you do your sanding, or however you say you want to get a tooth, also use a primer. The primer helps the Perfection adhere to the surface you are painting. Then paint the Perfection (a different color than the rest of your deck looks very good) mixed with the flattening agent. This will give you a non-shiny surface that is easy to look at and not slippery to walk on. You can also had their nonskid granules if you want more "gripsion".
 
Oct 2, 2006
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Jboat J24 commack
Your problem will be that each coat of Perfection or Awr-Grip requires wet-sanding OR it will Fisheye due to the protective clear layer these types of paint make when they dry

As its kind of hard to sand non-skid there may be a few issues

If your outdoors and the paint is not set before any nighttime moisture forms its kills the gloss

Right now in my experience you could easily be in a 48 hour plus wet sanding window with a 3 week before fully hard window
 
Jun 9, 2008
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I disagree with tommays. First of all, if you are spraying it, you can spray within a certain window without the need of sanding. But, you might find it best to roll on the nonskid and again, if you roll within the stated window, you don't have to sand between coats. I have applied one coat one day and another coat the next day with no problems. Fish eyes are from decontamination. If you prep properly, you can eliminate those and besides, fish eyes are more of a problem when you paint glossy surfaces and not nonskid. Thirdly, the word topsides really refers to the hull above the waterline and not the deck.
 
Nov 9, 2008
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Pearson-O'Day 290 Portland Maine
Paul & Judy,

I can't speak for Higgs, but on my boat, it has already been painted with something unknown. The white is . . . white-ish, with some blue-ish areas. Both are "white" but you know there are MANY "whites" out there. Another thing is I can't go with a 2-part paint because it is incompatible with single part paints and . . . I don't know what any of the POs used. Kind of a bummer. So, I will engage in painting next week, Good Lord willin' and the crick don't rise. Unepoxy topsides, Hydocaot bottom, with Easypoxy white undercoater. I'm considering Kiwigrip for the non-slip. It was featured in Good Old Boat and looks interesting.
 

Timo42

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Mar 26, 2007
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Venture 22 Marina del Rey
I was just going to recommend Kiwigrip, Did my foredeck when I replaced the forward hatch, came out great, just get the tape off as fast as possible. Still have to get the rest of the nonskid done, but there is a big difference in grip between the sanded paint and the Kiwigrip, isn't as hard on bare knees when raising anchor either.
 

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Oct 2, 2006
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Jboat J24 commack
Well

I don't know of to many people besides myself who spray Perfection due to yard rules and the general difficulty of spraying


And it came out fine because it was all done in one session BUT




I spent a huge amount of time working with Interlux during the white Perfection recall doing test sprays of different lot # to see how bad the problem really was and i am pretty sure the rep who came to my shop had me doing it right



After prepping the Cal 29 hull



And spraying on 3 good coats of 545 epoxy primer in a FULLY TENTED HULL i have pretty much decided as soon as it gets warm enough this spring to roll and tip the final color due to the difficulty of staying in the re-coat window on a 30 foot hull and staying alive in general
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Joe, in the pictures that I posted the "gelcoat" was only a couple of years old, 2004 I think. I had to paint because I made such a mess of the cabin when I replaced the portlights. Then I did the non-skid for the second time. That is what you see in the pictures. That is Interlux Interdeck. Really easy, just brushed it on. Now in 2011, once they turn the water on so that I can wash it, it will look just like the pictures.

A nice feature of paint besides being non-porous is ease of cleaning. I use one of those chamois mops, check "Smart Mop". Always shines when clean.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
I stand corrected on "top sides" which is indeed the hull above the water line.
Paul & Judy: The cabin has already been painted, both smooth surfaces and non skid with the same paint. It was a lousy job with drips and holidays. In addition, when I tape to do teak, the tape pulls off the old paint in splotches.

I like the comments and hope they keep coming.
 
Jun 21, 2007
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Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
Four years on, the surface quality of my Perfection job is still very much the same very nice as right after I painted it. I needed to paint the smooth cabin top surface because the original factory gelcoat had weathered all the way through to the underlying FRP layer. Perfection is good product, but it has some issues which have prompted me to plan a redo later this summer after the sailing season:

- As already mentioned by others, Interlux's flattening agent will reduce the very high gloss to a semi-gloss. I also wanted to reduce glare -- and also not highlight as much the subsurface imperfections. For this, the flattening agent did work. But also the flattening agent (which is clear) dilutes the opacity of the primary color -- Mediterranean White in my case. Since I primed first with Interlux's epoxy Primecoat (white color), the reduced opacity wasn't an issue. Until about two years later. What has happened is that UV from the sun has penetrated through the flattening agent diluted Perfection finish coat and has caused the underlying Primecoat to gradually discolor which shows through the Perfection coats. Epoxy primers (and epoxies in general) don't do too well under UV attack. Subsequently, I have learned that the work-around is to use the Perfection without the flattening agent for the first coat (and second if that's the plan). Then only use the flattening agent on the final coat. The drawback to this is that any holidays or thin spots on the final coat will result in a splotchy surface sheen. For my next go-around, I'll not bother with the flattening agent.

- As mentioned already in a previous post on this thread, I also have found that masking tape has pulled off the Perfection from underlying epoxy primer such as around my port frames.. Speaking with Interlux, this may because I missed sanding the primer coat in some spots before applying the Perfection. Also the UV (per above) may have damaged the surface of the primer coat a bit.

- On the topic of surface preparation, you mention that the smooth cabin top surface has already been painted. In my opinion, check compatibility with whatever your next product choice is. One test is wet a paper towel with lacquer thinner. Place it on your existing paint surface where you won't be upset if it gets damaged. Check on it several minutes later. If the existing surface has softened/blistered/lifted off the paint, then Perfection will certainly do the same. You would need to remove all the existing paint down the the gelcoat. If you don't have time or inclination for this much surface preparations, then a one-coat enamel/polyurethane mineral spirits based paint is your fall back.

- For brushing application of Perfection, I found that lots of the special thinner is needed. Also, it evaporates quickly in the brushing container, so the tendency is to keep adding more thinner to keep the paint from becoming too thick to flow out. Waiting for a period of cool but dry days is a must.

- I can confirm that overnight dew before the paint has had enough time to set will ruin the gloss.

- Follow the instructions exactly. Also the mixing containers must not have any contaminants, or fish-eyes will result. I found this when retouching a small area after repositioning my cabin top winches. Even though the surface never been wax and had been cleaned first with solvent before sanding, the Perfection fish-eyed. Since it was a small surface, my mixing container was a soda can (ok probably a beer can) that I had cut the top off of. Turns out the inside of aluminum beverage cans have a clear protective plastic coating. Perfection softened the coating allowing it to contaminate the paint.

- People have mentioned spraying Perfection. If you do want to go this route, just make sure that you research and take seriously the safety issues. I have read that a full positive ventilation mask with air supply source outside of the painting area is a must. Also a full suit needs to be worn. Reason is that the chemical compounds in a 2-part are even much more dangerous than 1-part paints when aerosol particles are inhaled. Also the 2-part will settle/harden in the lung tissue and then can't be expelled. For brushing, and following the safety instructions, supposedly the 2-parts are safe for DIY'ers.

- I also used Perfection for my non-skid areas. Although somewhat stained an discolored, the original factory surface was still in very good physical condition. It had never been waxed. Surface preparation was only water and a very stiff nylon scrub brush. The flattening agent was used to the max allowed to dull the final surface sheen. Because the non-skid color was somewhat darker and no primer was used, my non-skid has held up wonderfully. Into the Perfection was mixed Interlux's non-skid granuals product.

Anyway, these are some of my experiences with Perfection. But as I said above, its all worth it because the surface quality stays beautiful for years.

You mention a concern that a newly painted cabin top will be a mismatch for the topsides sections of 30 year old hull . I suggest don't worry about it. I also had this concern. But if your topsides still is in reasonable shape, a good cleaning with oxalic acid to remove embedded stains and mineral deposits, then compounding and then waxing will restore the look at least am acceptable semi gloss finish. You can find lots of info on the process on this forum. However, do the best you can to find a cabin top paint color that matches your topside gelcoat color.

The attached photos show the outcome of my Perfection projects.
 

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